New Ped Rocky Mountain Hawken on Sale, or...?

[Alden]

I see used ones once in a while but with a new Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken Rifle on sale for $999.99 and $5 shipping is there another gun you'd still have to buy INSTEAD of this if you were in the market for a Hawken at the moment, and why?
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sc...ifles-hawken-rocky-mountain-hawken-maple.html

Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken Rifle

ӢBeautiful maple stock with exacting details
Ӣ.54 caliber, sidelock percussion
ӢDouble triggers with fancy trigger guard
Ӣ34" barrel

"The Hawken is a symbol of the period that saw the passage from the long and heavy small caliber Pennsylvania rifles to more practical and powerful Plains rifles, and the definite abandoning of the flintlock for the far more modern percussion system. The strong barrel and the larger caliber, enabled hits on any target with surprising accuracy. This rifle soon became an invaluable friend of Mountain men, and the most famous explorers of the American continent. The Rocky Mountain Hawken is offered in a maple stock with a barrel having seven grooves obtained by broaching, rust brown color finish, steel metal parts. Barrel length 34". Available in... .54 caliber with twist rates of... 1 in 65" on the .54.

Right hand only.
Overall length: 51-1/4"
Weight: 9.9 lbs."

 

[stinkyfeet]

The pedersoli rocky mt is a great looking nice shooting rifle most of my buddies use them. If your looking for a hawkens thats about the best gun you can buy without having a custom build. Thats a decent price as well and they hold the retail value most used guns go for around 750-800 range.

 

[S.Kenton]

Nope.. that's about the " Holy Grail" of the production Hawken. If I were looking for a production Hawken I'd be looking at getting one myself. NOW if you want to get your hands dirty and don't mind a challenge, try looking at T.O.W's Jim Bridger or the Kit Carson Hawken rifles...

 

[Spikebuck]

My Rocky Mountain Hawken is such a favorite of mine that even though I'm transitioning to Flint, my Hawken will see time afield every year. You can't build an authentic looking kit Hawken for less than you can buy a completed Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken.

 

[maypo59]

Got mine about 6 weeks ago. LOVE it. :thumbsup:

I got mine on sale. Watched them for a year or so, after seeing/fondling a couple at the KC Cabela's. Ordered as soon as I saw them on sale. I too think I am about to make a solid transition to flint, but I assure you the P-RMH will always be mine and get plenty of smoke time.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

A short story:

I invited a member of this forum to show-up at a regular League Match of one of the two clubs I belong to. He showed-up with a brand-new PRM Hawken. He was having trouble getting used to it so he asked me to shoot it before he played with the sights. He loaded it and I fired the gun. He thought I missed, then I got worried UNTIL I saw the giant .54 cal. hole in the X-ring! So I handed him his rifle back and told him NOT to play with the sights, but to learn how to hold it & shoot it. Long story short, I spotted for him and he won the darn match! And Aggregate Match at both 50 & 100 yards! He never did move that sight, lol!

So congrats and may you be blessed with steady hands, as that rifle WILL out-shoot YOU, lol!

Dave
Shootist

 

[Lou_D]

I've been looking at that for a few weeks now but not sure if it will do the job - I want to get into competitive shooting, locally. I have a flintlock long rifle and I love it but common sense tells me I should look for something shorter - with a center of balance closer to my body - so I can better steady my off hand aim. I know whatever-works-for-me but what is working for you fellas?

 

[Tony Logan]

Check the classifieds on this forum for the Jim Bridger style Hawken. I had a maple Ped RMH and I never got it to fire. Had to send it back. must have been a factory obstruction. I even put a 209 adapter on it and still it malfunctioned. I did notice the maple stripes appeared to be airbrushed on when I pulled the barrel. Not hardly what I thought I should have got for the extra $$$. My Dad on the other hand had 2 of them (RMH in 54 and a MO River Hawken in 50) and they were both very accurate and reliable shooters. He has since sold them and had guns built to suit him in left handed since these only came in right.

 

[nit wit]

Alden:
I will answer your question. I would buy Shines rifle advertised in the classifieds. Its a custom build, 8 groove Hopkins/Quaglino barrel.I saw one of these barrels on another site and they wanted 500.00 for it. I guess Quaglino still has world records with his barrels that still stand today.I've held this very gun and it's a beauty, Shine will regret selling this down the road.
Pedersoli make some real good stuff and I own a few and like them.Basicly you can have a custom with a world class barrel for the same money and it's already broke in.
Nit Wit

 

[IROCZ]

I was just looking at Tracks kit. Beautiful.

 

[FishDFly]

I have one and the rifle does not fit me. I have to crawl up the stock to see thru the sights and the weight of the rifle is too heavy for me to shoot offhand.

I am of the opinion now, if you can not handle something before buying, I do not buy it.

They are well made and nice workmanship, it just does not fit me.

 

[shawn_c992001]

I have lusted for one for sometime now.

 

[FishDFly]

Mine is walnut, it was in the first container shipped to the U.S. Maple was not offered nor could you go to Cabela's or Taylor's to fondle one prior to buying one.

I have no fault with the rifle, it just does not fit me, kind of like some shoes fit and some do not, just need to try them on before buying.

Difference between the original price and today's maple price, I am cheap and have to go with walnut. I am frugal and rifles are tools, not sex objects, not called her and are not named, they are working objects to be used.

For me personally it is not an off hand line rifle. It took me some time to find a line rifle that fits me.
I consider it a hunting rifle not a line match rifle, and not a hunting rifle to carry a long ways.

When you are old, you can do as you want.

Lust is solved with the Discover Card, cash back and sell prices at Cabela's.

 

[tecum-tha]

It really depends what you want to do with your rifle. IMHO a Hawken rifle is best used from Cross Sticks and if you don't have to carry them around far. Also think about the correct LOP for your shooting/body and usage. Correct geometry is important for good results especially offhand.
If you plan to shoot chunk gun matches with it (prone. over the log, 60 yards) a Hawken has the worst butt plate geometry for that. I really like my Sharon Hawken in .50 because it shoots so nice, but from a prone position it kicks the heck out of my collar bone and it hurts. For overall use the Jaeger rifle design was used for an extended period of time in flint and percussion. For hunting as well as for serious target work. With the use of a swamped barrel, it lends itself as well for offhand as for rested shooting. The wide, flat butt late is suitable for all shooting positions. The English version was the English Sporting rifle.
I also agree that I would rather buy the used custom from the classifieds before buying a production. But that is just my opinion.

 

[Lou_D]

Great advice fellas. I always liked the way the PA long rifle looked in pictures but when I finally decided to spend the money I drove over to Cherry's and held one right out of the box. From a bench or sticks it shoots as good as I can aim. Standing off hand, it's a looong rifle. "Geometry" & "fit", that's what I needed to hear. That Hawken sure is pretty but I don't think it's the tool for what I'm tryin to do. Thanks

 

[Bugflipper]

I got a PRM used on gunbroker in the off season last summer. It is a pretty well made rifle and accurate. No where near worth what a new one costs if it comes from my wallet anyhow. A fellow can get someone to make a fancy stock or finish one themselves and fit any number of Hawkens out there onto it. I'd even say a fellow could get a good kit from sitting fox and have someone build it for them for cheaper than the pedersoli. As far as accuracy goes I've seen the lowly cvas that no one likes to discuss win a whole lot of matches. About any muzzleloader can be made accurate. About any of them can be made pretty. It doesn't have to be about throwing money at something to get it that way.
Have a good day guys.

 

[tecum-tha]

Holding a PA longrifle out of the box??
Then it most likely was not a correctly built longrifle imho. Correct longrifles are custom built or made from kits, but don't come out of a box. Probably it was without a swamped barrel and maybe with a heavier barrel profile than required. I also think the barrel length should be proportional to the shooters statue. You need to be able to load the thing comfortably.
Jaeger rifles for example were considered good with a ball weight of around 1.5 LOT, which is between 0.60 and 0.70 caliber. These rifles were sighted in at around 125 yards by the builder.
They were often delivered with flip up sights. My one has 2 flip ups.
Barrel length was typically around 27"-29".
In my opinion one of the rifles that can be used for a wide array of matches and hunting.

 

[Alden]

I hate when Pedersoli's are on sale! There are too many I drool over. Cabela's has 'em... Dixie sends you newspapers with them on "special discount"...

I do like the maple Rocky Mountain. Consensus here is clearly that it is the yardstick by which to measure others. I don't disagree. I think it's a fine arm, value, and a work of art but I just can't justify it. I can come really close when it's on sale though! Still, I just can't pull the trigger.

I like their double-set trigger flintlock Kentucky sans-patchbox Cabela's carries (was it you RustyNail that pointed it out to me?), but, having the single trigger with patchbox for many years, I can't justify that either. Even on sale. And I tried -- let me tell you that around the Christmas holidays I looked at that gun on-line, on sale, with its free shipping a dozen times.

And then there are all those other uncommon guns they make that are just so sharp (play on words intended) -- well, I'd just love to own and shoot them all.

 

[Spikebuck]

I can come really close when it's on sale though! Still, I just can't pull the trigger.

Alden...life is short...pull the trigger! (pun intended) :grin:

I bought mine in 2007 at the Cabela's in Owatonna MN. They were on sale for $799, cheapest I ever saw them new. I didn't even go there to buy a gun, but when I was walking by the muzzleloaders and saw it hanging there I had to ask to handle it. BIG MISTAKE for my wallet. Well, I ho-hummed around...walked away and looked around the store some more...went back and looked again....walked around the store some more, then just said to heck with it...it's only money. I bought it and its been my favorite muzzleloader. Has killed at least one deer for me every year since. Versatile in shooting PRB or conicals. Beautiful. What's not to like or want? :wink:

 

[George T.]

Like many here I have lusted for one for a long time. I have a GPR and a T/C as well as a Investarms 58. I really should sell them all and get that rifle in 54.

Geo. T.