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It’s given a some what traditional look, and shoots well. I had one of those locks on a rifle I built and it worked great.
If you can, much better guns are available. Once you start on rock busters you will find them addictive.
So....
You will want the best quality, and you will want a step up from a TC. You might’ve served by starting with something better at the start.
If you can, much better guns are available. Once you start on rock busters you will find them addictive.
So....
You will want the best quality, and you will want a step up from a TC. You might’ve served by starting with something better at the start.
So what do you suggest, I will be hunting deer with it.
I think if you have a chance for a T/C Hawken go for it.
Aside from the hammer frizzen issues that have been discussed aplenty....it turns out to be a pretty good shooter for maxi,s and round ball alike.
Easy to clean and maintain and certain to take down any deer.
I have the capper in .50 with the rianite stock.
Has served me for 25 years.
Best thing is that you have this fantastic forum...an informational gem...from all angles.
Sussexmuzlodr
Aside from the hammer frizzen issues that have been discussed aplenty....it turns out to be a pretty good shooter for maxi,s and round ball alike.
Easy to clean and maintain and certain to take down any deer.
I have the capper in .50 with the rianite stock.
Has served me for 25 years.
Best thing is that you have this fantastic forum...an informational gem...from all angles.
Sussexmuzlodr
The TC will be a good hunter. The GPR is a little more traditional looking , it won’t shoot any better. You might check web sights such as Track Of The Wolf or Guns across America or look at kits. One of the easier styles to put together is the Tennessee style ‘poor boys. No entry thimble,patch box, nose cap, and can be made with out a toe or any carving.
Comfortably_Numb
The Evil Mike Brooks
Other suggestions? How much do you want to spend will decide what suggestions you get.
Comfortably_Numb
The Evil Mike Brooks
I'd suggest you go with the TC, there isn't any other choice in that price range.
If that's the only choice than I guess I am stuck with TC...
TerryK
40 Cal.
I guess it is splitting hairs, but I owned a TC Renegade all my adult life. I always preferred the flat buttplate and the less shiny brass for hunting.
Your not stuck with it, it’s a good gun and you will enjoy it. It will turn Bambi in to dinner make smoke and reward you with many of long hours of fun.
But.... it will leave you wanting to take the next step up
Black powder is our melange, the addiction that brings life
Comfortably_Numb
The Evil Mike Brooks
I started with a TC. It didn't take me long to move past it. They are good guns, mine worked well. One of my buds has had a flintlock TC renegade for about 40 years now.
Tom Compton
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TC sold out to Smith and Wesson. S&W does not service TC life time warranty nor do they carry parts. I’ve upgraded a TC stock to an L&R lock and GM barrel.
Look at the Lyman GPR for a traditional MLer still in production.
Look at the Lyman GPR for a traditional MLer still in production.
Pete G
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Col. Batguano
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Since they aren't making them any more, that means a used gun, and a used gun price. What dollar figure did you have in mind? With used ML'ers, you have to look closely at the bore. Some are pristine, and some are sewer pipes. Push a patch down it and feel for any roughness or places where it feels loose (which indicates a ringed barrel). Ask to spark the frizzen. Does it make a shower of orange sparks? If the above are ok, then you have a gun worth pursuing if you can get it at a decent price. If not, it still may be worth pursuing, but it's going to cost some money or take some know-how to make it right.
Get a Kibler kit and don't look back. The same cost as a Pedersoli but just a few hours in the garage will get yout a FINE flintsman's piece!!
I got a pedersoli Blue Ridge from cabelas for $425.00 out of the bargin cave on a close out its a good gun for low entry price.
Me too, new to Flintlocks. I've been reading here and elsewhere. I found this just tonight.
http://www.warnersregiment.org/Docs/from_click_to_bang.pdf
A member sent me to this how to article on the forum. While some members don't agree with all Paul V. says here (biggest disagreement is many prefer leather, rather than lead). There is a lot of good info here. You'll want to read over it more than once. I did.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/flintlocks-how-to-shoot-them.38886/
Lots of help here. Members are eager to share their years of experience. Good luck!
http://www.warnersregiment.org/Docs/from_click_to_bang.pdf
A member sent me to this how to article on the forum. While some members don't agree with all Paul V. says here (biggest disagreement is many prefer leather, rather than lead). There is a lot of good info here. You'll want to read over it more than once. I did.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/flintlocks-how-to-shoot-them.38886/
Lots of help here. Members are eager to share their years of experience. Good luck!
The Blue Ridge rifles are shooters for sure. I've owned two and they are very accurate rifles. The forestock shape leaves a lot to be desired, but then every production gun has way too much wood on it. Personally, I'd take a blue ridge over a GPR or TC, but each person has their own style they like. All of them will kill things with a properly worked up accurate load in the right hands.
I'd also second the Kibler kit as a top choice...but if the OP wants to stay within a TC budget, a $1000 Kibler, while worth the cost, is way out of the price range. Of course my advice would be to take the money that will eventually be put into the second gun and double up what you spend on the first one and you'll be much happier in the end!
I'd also second the Kibler kit as a top choice...but if the OP wants to stay within a TC budget, a $1000 Kibler, while worth the cost, is way out of the price range. Of course my advice would be to take the money that will eventually be put into the second gun and double up what you spend on the first one and you'll be much happier in the end! [/QUOTE]
That is what I did. Not the kit, but went with a Pedersoli Charleville, in stead of the Indian-made musket I was considering, that would have taken a lot of work, and even then not been of equal quality. I like to work on, tune and upgrade my guns, but I’m glad my wife talked me into getting the almost three times more expensive musket. I am very pleased with it. In fact, so far no complaints whatsoever. Reading posts on this forum, lurking, helped with that decision!
Having said that, this black powder shooting isn’t for everyone. I purchased my Euroarms 1861 Springfield from a young man who gave it a try, shot it on one occasion, and sold it to me as LNIB, at a loss. For that reason, and because lots of guys get into it with an entry level gun, and then either give up on it, or upgrade and sell the first gun. There are lots of gently used guns for sale, some excellent examples are for sale on this forum. And, at great prices! Often times including accoutrements if desired. As Col. Batguano advises, buyer be ware if purchasing used though!
In my case I wanted the 1766 Charleville for the SAR. You don’t find them for sale very often, and they sell fast when you do! Dixie had the Japanese version, Miroku. For sale in the catalog early last year, it was gone by the time I got the catalog!
Still, to some extent you get what you pay for. There is a pretty substantial learning curve to this BP ML shooting. This forum is a God send in that regard. If you start with good quality kit and a solid proven piece, you may save yourself some grief and frustration. And get off to a great start, without becoming discouraged.
Good luck. I hope you find what you want within your budget.
[/QUOTE]That is what I did. Not the kit, but went with a Pedersoli Charleville, in stead of the Indian-made musket I was considering, that would have taken a lot of work, and even then not been of equal quality. I like to work on, tune and upgrade my guns, but I’m glad my wife talked me into getting the almost three times more expensive musket. I am very pleased with it. In fact, so far no complaints whatsoever. Reading posts on this forum, lurking, helped with that decision!
Having said that, this black powder shooting isn’t for everyone. I purchased my Euroarms 1861 Springfield from a young man who gave it a try, shot it on one occasion, and sold it to me as LNIB, at a loss. For that reason, and because lots of guys get into it with an entry level gun, and then either give up on it, or upgrade and sell the first gun. There are lots of gently used guns for sale, some excellent examples are for sale on this forum. And, at great prices! Often times including accoutrements if desired. As Col. Batguano advises, buyer be ware if purchasing used though!
In my case I wanted the 1766 Charleville for the SAR. You don’t find them for sale very often, and they sell fast when you do! Dixie had the Japanese version, Miroku. For sale in the catalog early last year, it was gone by the time I got the catalog!
Still, to some extent you get what you pay for. There is a pretty substantial learning curve to this BP ML shooting. This forum is a God send in that regard. If you start with good quality kit and a solid proven piece, you may save yourself some grief and frustration. And get off to a great start, without becoming discouraged.
Good luck. I hope you find what you want within your budget.
