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I just picked up a Traditions Pioneer for stupid cheap. It came with 100 percussion caps. A few 45 cal balls and a jar do powder and finally a powder measuring tube. Question what pads should I get for it?
 
I would start with maybe a .015" patch and adjust to a thicker/thinner patch as needed. Is it a jar as in like a mason jar? Or a brand name powder container? I just want to make sure because I have heard too many blown up muzzleloader stories where a "jar of "black" powder" was used :shocked2: I just want to ensure your safety and that your first black powder experience is a safe one :thumbsup:
 
Even if that powder is in its original container unless you can verify the source, quality,composition/purity(meaning not tainted) I would toss it and aquire some new powder. It might save you more than one headache.
 
Yep dispose of the powder and start new. Safety first. If you can git to a store and buy pre lubed patches to start. After you get comfortable shooting the gun you can start to dial it in. I personally would go with real blackpowder if you can get it. I know that some folks on this forum have had good luck with fake blackpowder but I personally have not.
 
I agree. Buying used powder and using it is probably not one one of the wisest things to do. Unmarked non original containers are really what concern me, especially with shooters new to or unfamiliar with BP, their contents may actually not be black powder.
 
Welcome to the Forum. :)

Single shot pistols are loaded like rifles but if patched roundballs are used it is best to try thinner patches than the rifle would use.

Where rifles like .015-.018 thick patches, often a .010 or .012 thick patch will work very well in a pistol. Not only that but it will be much easier to load with the ball in it, into the barrel.

You didn't mention it but you probably will need some sort of starter to get the patched ball started into the muzzle.
This can be either a store bought "short starter" or just a large wooden ball, bought at a woodworking store.

Pistols use fairly light powder charges.
Your .45 will be very happy shooting a 20-25 grain powder charge.
 
If you're not familiar with black powder, I'd certainly be cautious with the stuff you were given. If it's smokeless, or someone has mixed smokeless with it, you could be in for a very unpleasant surprise (if you're lucky that's all you would get!).
 
Yes it did come with a starter. It is .45 balls. I know the source that everything came from. The previous owner use to shoot competitions and is just getting out of it. there is a black powder store not to far so I will defiantly get some new black powder.

Do I need special cleaner for it or is the Hoppes 9 okay to use?
 
Dubfunkstar said:
Do I need special cleaner for it or is the Hoppes 9 okay to use?

That is a loaded question but the answer is yes. What you need (and there are many options) is a cleaner that is not designed for modern cartridge firearms using smokeless powder. You need something designed for the powder you are using. If you are using true black power then water or soap and water will work just fine, this also works with many BP substitutes but water does not work well with some Bp substitutes.
The key thing to remember is that if your gun is not completely cleaned it will rust even if well oiled.
I do not use Hoppes #9
 
There's Hoppe's #9 and there is Hoppe's #9.

I've never figured out why two completely different cleaning solvents ended up with the same name except to say, they did add the words "Black powder gun bore cleaner & patch lube" to the kind we use for muzzleloaders.

The old Hoppe's #9 that for years was used to clean modern smokeless powder guns will not work for a black powder gun.

Of course, it still works for a good manly aftershave lotion. :grin:

Anyway, getting back to the Black Powder version of Hoppe's #9, it works pretty good.

Soap and water work better and cost a lot less and there are a raft of different patch lubes that are equal or better including some home made ones.

In any case, after cleaning the gun and totally drying the bore, use a good rust preventative in the bore.
The cleaning process will remove any old oil that might have been in there and Hoppe's does not do a good job of keeping rust away.

Oh. Based on my use of it I can absolutely say, DO NOT USE Thompson Center Original #13 Black Powder Bore Cleaning Solvent to clean your bore.

It will produce instant rust. Rust that develops so fast you can't even wipe the stuff out of the bore with a dry patch before the rust forms.
 
Dubfunkstar said:
Yes it did come with a starter. It is .45 balls. I know the source that everything came from. The previous owner use to shoot competitions and is just getting out of it. there is a black powder store not to far so I will defiantly get some new black powder.

Do I need special cleaner for it or is the Hoppes 9 okay to use?

Ask who you bought it from. What better source. Also 45 balls come in different sizes and at some point you will need to buy some. Also I use hopps cleaner in mine and works great for me.
 
Actually I do use Hoppe's No. 9 on a cotton patch, but only AFTER I have thoroughly cleaned with warm water and dish soap. I find it removes stuff in the bore and cylinder that the soap and water does not. Can't say I have noticed much difference using the black powder version of this product either.
 
Too save you some looking, a .45 caliber single shot pistol shoots .440 or .445 diameter lead balls. The patch increases the loaded ball size to make it a tight fit into the barrels rifling.

Do not buy a .451, .453 or .457 diameter lead roundball.

They are not made for shooting in a .45 caliber single shot pistol like yours.
They are used in the Cap & Ball revolvers.
 

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