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Rolling cartridges with zig-zag. A member used the term "nitrated cigarette paper".

I can't hide my ignorance: can you buy nitrated cigarette paper or do you somehow make it by dipping regular cigarette paper into a mixture?
 
There is a lot of info on the web, just search "nitrated paper"
I use cigarette paper to roll powder and shoot.
Easier than loading lose powder on the range.
 
Many people believe that cigarette paper is nitrated. It is not.

However, most any paper (including cigarette paper), can be nitrated by immersing it in a saturated solution of potassium nitrate in water and then allowing the paper to dry.
 
Ya gotta make it.
Cigarette papers are actually treated to burn slower with something like calcium carbonate.
The idea is to match the papers burn rate to that of the tobacco.
Do a little looking around, there are a half dozen ways to make paper burn faster with various soaks and coatings.

The pro paper cartridge maker guy's struggle to get the paper to turn to a fine ash.
 
The flash powder looks interesting. I have tried making nitrated paper, but it works best with 100% rag based paper. Most of what I could find was at best 25%. I wasn't happy with how the paper burned up after treatment. It burned slow and embers kept alight for a long time. It was bad enough that I stopped that experiment before something bad happened. The flash paper looks like the right way to go.

Many Klatch
 
There are different methods of nitrating paper. The simplest is to make up a concentrated solution of Potassium Nitrate (salt peter) and soak the paper in it. Another way is to make a solution of 3 parts nitric acid and one part sulfuric acid and soakiing your paper in it, then rinsing and drying. This latter method makes a better paper but is hazardous to do because of the acids involved. I don't recommend it because of the extreme hazards involved. Also, nitric acid is not something you can buy at the hardware store. The sulfuric is readily availabel at some hardware stores as an acid drain cleaner. Many times it is available only to plumbers because of the hazards involved in its use. Potassium nitrate is often available in some drugstores. You just have to look for it, it may be hard to find.

If, perchance, you find the nitric acid and the sulfuric acid and want to try using that method, be absloutely sure that you use good acid resistant gloves and a full face shield and do not allow anyone to come near to watch. That stuff is BAD and can do a LOT of damage to skin and flesh. If it gets into your eyes, they are definately GONE. Let me repeat I don't recommend it because of the extreme hazards involved.
 
I used to use the tissue paper the clothing stores wrap shirts in-in the boxes they send them home in--used as is--no problem
 
Thank You very much, Guys - I think I'll shy away from the "Mr Wizard" chemical experiment.

William Alezander, you mention flash paper. Where could I buy flash paper? I've only heard one use for it and that is for bookies to be able to get rid of their numbers proof in a "flash" when the coppers come 'a Knockin!

But in all seriousness I'd like to buy some flash paper. It's the only way I would try to make these old tyme cartridges.

And Rubincam, thanks for your tip. Next time I get a new shirt I'll definitely pull the paper!
 
Marc: the purpose of treating the paper is to make it burn up completely so there is no residue left in the chamber that could hold an ember and cause an explosion if you tried to reload that chamber with either a combustible cartridge or plain old powder. I state this because some folks think the paper is treated so the flash of the percussion cap will "burn through" the paper and explode the powder charge. On the revolver you have a straight line from nipple to chamber and the cap is powerful enough to rupture the case, it doesn't have to burn through. As an experiment I've used plain, untreated newspaper and even thin foil to make cartridges and loaded them and gotten about 50-70% ignition or better without breaking open the end of the paper/foil to expose the powder. Plain paper leaves A LOT of residue and you have to clean out the chambers so it is NOT practical but it gives you an idea of what is what. If I want to make combustible cartridges I use plain old zig-zag or Bugler type cigarette paper but as I said there is still a little residue on occasion. As I understand it there are better paper treatments that burn up more completely. The magician's flash paper- I've got to try that.
Here's another idea that is realy better. Make some little paper tubes, a long one that's about an inch long and a short one that is a cap that fits over the long one. Carry measured powder charges in these little tubes. They store nicely in an Altoids can. You re-use these these tubes sort of like a speed loader. In the same Altoids can keep some pre-lubed wads, caps, and balls. Hold everything tight with some crumbled up tissue paper. One altoid can/tin ought to let you carry around 20 rounds of so of ammunition AND you get a better quality load that messing around with the combustible cartridges. Why do I say that? First, you don't have to worry about the paper residue issue. Each little tube acts as a powder measure so there's no flask/powder measure issue. The lubed wad gives better protection against a chain firing than the combustible cartridges, and most combustible cartridges use conicals that twist out of line in loading and are not as accurate as round balls. To me at least the combustible cartridges are used at the range as a sort of "bonding experience" so I get an idea of how things were done back in the day. And, to truly "Bond" you need to have the combustible cartridges in a little wood box with label and ripcord so you can re-create exactly what was done at the time. For any other shooting the individual paper tubes are better.
 
It's good to know that I'm not the only one that is thinking about making up some loads for essy loading. It looks pretty easy on you tube. I'm sure that this is why the young kids around here are buying zig-zag's all of the time!.
Geo. T.
 
Geo T said:
It's good to know that I'm not the only one that is thinking about making up some loads for essy loading. It looks pretty easy on you tube. I'm sure that this is why the young kids around here are buying zig-zag's all of the time!.
Geo. T.

Yeah I am sure that is why the young kids are buying zig-zag's all the time also! :shocked2: :doh:
I'll bet all those little heathens want to learn all about BP! Not unless they are trying to snort or smoke it!!!
Now there's a new thought to "they touched off the powder and lost their mind":rotf: :rotf:
 
Maybe you're onto something historically correct. Just maybe that's the origin of the phrase "blow your mind".

That's what the sixties were all about. The EIGHTEEN-sixties.
 
For big bore guns, NOT revolvers.
Good paper towel makes great paper cartridges.
They must be cut to size, rolled and glued.
When soaked in a saurated solution of Potassium Nitrate, then let dry.
They burn well, do no harm to the barrel, leave no embers in the barrel, burn before they reach the ground, and they are tough ( don't break up easy).
They are way too bulky to use in revolvers.
Old Ford
 
Marc Adamchek said:
William Alezander, you mention flash paper. Where could I buy flash paper?

This is one of the places you can get flash paper. If you shop around you can find a sale. http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Flash-...=1359818658&sr=8-2&keywords=magic+flash+paper
I have made my own just so I know how but I just buy it now if I want some.

I had glued the paper together with the type of glue ( Nitrocellulose ) that had been in the old hourglass
bottles with the rubber top that had been in all the kindergarten classes. It also does not leave any residue.


William Alexander
 
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That kindergarten glue is mucilage made from animal parts. Nitrocellulose is in model airplane glue. Hard to find anymore and they won't sell it to kids.
 
Gerard Dueck said:
That kindergarten glue is mucilage made from animal parts. Nitrocellulose is in model airplane glue. Hard to find anymore and they won't sell it to kids.
I truly do not know for sure. :redface:

I based my guess of Nitrocellulose on the fact that when dry it burns just like smokeless powder and flash paper.

I was also told that that was the reason (Nitrocellulose) that it is not used in the kindergarten classes any more.

mucilage - a gelatinous substance secreted by plants
Although the Le Page brand may have been fish based.

Thanks
:idunno:
William Alexander
 
It's not used anymore because folks "Huff it" to get high.
So it's actually toxic and should be used properly by adults.

There's another following out there that mixes modern nitro powders (Center fire stuff) with other stuff to make a paper wash that burns.
I won't go into deatil but it's out there on the web.
 
necchi said:
It's not used anymore because folks "Huff it" to get high.
So it's actually toxic and should be used properly by adults.

Again, I truly do not know for sure.

I believe the glue that I am referring to was not huffed, back then anyways. I don’t think you could.
Also I don’t think it was very toxic, it came in a couple of different flavors. :shocked2:

I have been wrong before so that’s not new to me; it may have just been cellulose.
Whatever, it worked very well for my paper cartridges.


William Alexander
 
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