No Ignition - Armisport Kentuckian .45

[Relichunter11]

Been having no luck with sparks from my flinter I bought from Cabelas years ago. Tried case hardening the frizzen with no luck. Can you recommend a remedy? Or perhaps a replacement lock to fit?

 

[AZbpBurner]

What kind of flint are you using? If cut agate or something other than English or French flints, try some of the Tom Fuller English flints from Track of the Wolf before doing anything else.

Try cutting into your frizzen face with a sharp file. If you can scratch it, it needs further hardening.

 

[Larry Pletcher]

I hope you're using real blackpowder. BP subs are disappointing in flint guns.
Regards,
Pletch

 

[Toomuch51]

Previous two post are sage advice and best place to start. If frizzen face is already badly gouged it needs replaced. If all checks out try loosening frizzen spring tension, too tight spring tension will prevent frizzen from opening and shatter flints.

Toomuch
..............
Shoot Flint

 

[nwtradegun]

check l and r locks for a replacement

 

[MSW]

What kind of flint are you using? If cut agate or something other than English or French flints, try some of the Tom Fuller English flints from Track of the Wolf before doing anything else.

Try cutting into your frizzen face with a sharp file. If you can scratch it, it needs further hardening.

I agree ... this is a good place to start - and it will cost a boatload less than the possibly unnecessary and costly replacement of an otherwise serviceable lock.

always look to the simple solution before you pull out your wallet.


one guy's advice: free and worth every penny!

 

[BEP]

Relichunter11 - What process did you use to try to caseharden your frizzen? just curious.

 

[Ken Cormier]

Start from the begining and do everything as your supposed to do. Using only real black powder as you need to do.

 

[hornetk4]

Can I ask a different question about your Kentuckian ? What is your ramrod like, mine is too short by about 3 or 4 inches. They must be a two part rod, as stated the one that came with my gun is a few inches short and it has a metric looking thread that's at least a quarter inch diameter.Other than that mine is like they say a tack driver. Have fun with yours an shoot safe.

 

[Relichunter11]

Mine fits fine. Not too short.

 

[Relichunter11]

I heated up the frizzen with a torch until it glowed cherry red. Then I buried it in ground charcoal for 20 min. Heated again to cherry red and then quenched in water.

 

[Relichunter11]

Tried cut agate, English and French flints. No change to any of these. The flints generally cut into the frizzen and stop. Is this an angle problem? or flint size? Or is it a crumby frizzen?

 

[Relichunter11]

I'll try to figure out how to reduce the spring tension. Any tips of a replacement frizzen? There looks to be one that might work on DGW but nothing noting it is meant to fit on an Armisport.

 

[BEP]

Not too sure that your hardening process did much for you; especially since you say that the flint is still gouging the frizzen. There's always going to be some scraping on that frizzen - that's where the sparks come from - but gouging is excessive. You should try hardening your frizzen with Kasenit (hard to find now) or Cherry Red Case Hardening Powder. Cherry Red is available from a number of sources. I'd bet a shiny new dime that using either of these products will create quite a difference for you. Good luck.

 

[Relichunter11]

Thanks. I'll try that.

 

[MJMarkey]

I'll try to figure out how to reduce the spring tension. Any tips of a replacement frizzen? There looks to be one that might work on DGW but nothing noting it is meant to fit on an Armisport.

Careful about buying a frizzen from anyone. They usually come un-drilled and un-hardened.

If you're going to try case-hardening the frizzen do the application at least twice. It is a surface treatment.

If it were my rifle and I was looking to do a reasonable repair I would consider a new lock. L&R lock co. make a replacement that might work on your rifle.
Here's the link: http://lr-rpl.com/index.php?option...armscabelas-lcok&catid=36:cva-small&Itemid=62
My advice is to call L&R and find out it their lock is an exact replacement for the one you have.

 

[rafterob]

An oft-overlooked solution is to install a "shoe" on the face of the frizzen. An easy fix for those with the skill. Our clubs resident gunsmith performed this fix on my Son's rifle. He used a bit of old commercial band saw and soldered-riveted it to the frizzen. Sparks like a champ!

 

[BigBoreBLR]

When you apply heat to the frizzen, it does change the metal structure.

If done improperly, it can make the frizzen worse.