Just go to the top right corner of this page tap search, type in "new toy", then check the box "Search titles only".Who said they were toys? Or is that a new statement that is being made for benefit of safety. I have never known any forum member to refer to a muzzle loader as a toy. Well until you stated the word toy.
I should have added that a Kibler with a very large and clear stamped barrel "This Is Not A Toy" would not be to my liking.
Looks to me like 3 pages.