Numrich Arms Underhammer

[Eterry]

I have a Billinghurst UH with a heavy 40 cal bbl. It doesn't have a forearm or ramrod. I want to install a forearm. How does the RR pass thru the forearm bolt? I'm thinking a round metal soldered/dovetailed on the bbl, then inlet into the wood with a nut soldered on to thread the forearm bolt, holding forearm in place.

Anyone care to take some pics and post them?
Thanks

 

[8 BORE]

Send pics of your underhammer so we can see what you need
Maybe a barrel band to hold it

 

[Rifleman1776]

That is not a Buggy rifle. Might have been at one time but that stock and the rest is all wrong.

 

[Eterry]

I absolutely don't want to use a barrel band...I'll get some pics of it posted soon.

 

[dd832]

I have a Billinghurst UH with a heavy 40 cal bbl. It doesn't have a forearm or ramrod. I want to install a forearm. How does the RR pass thru the forearm bolt? I'm thinking a round metal soldered/dovetailed on the bbl, then inlet into the wood with a nut soldered on to thread the forearm bolt, holding forearm in place.
Anyone care to take some pics and post them?
Thanks

Here's a photo of a hidden ramrod thimble (the one on the bottom) that is used to mount a wood forearm. I believe John Taylor (machinist) posted it years ago. The dovetail mounts on the barrel, then there's a hole for the ramrod and the top portion is threaded for a machine screw. Mike

 

[hawkeye2]

If you have an original Billinghurst it would be a crime to modify it in any way. Now if you could come up with a way to attach a removable forearm that wouldn't require any alterations or leave any marks.

 

[Zonie]

To all:

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This is a requirement of Rule #11.

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/forum-rules.108881/

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
This is one I restocked for a client in the style of Nicanor Kendall, a great Vermont maker of under hammers during the 19th century.

dave

 

[Griz44Mag]

My underhammer is made by an Arkansas gunsmith. The barrel is a ,50 cal Green Mountain 42" with a 1:70 twist. Sights are Redfield Palma rear and Int.olympic front using Lee Shaver inserts. It has won several bench matches in Missouri and Arkansas. I have now ordered a 12 gauge barrel to put on it for shooting trap, single bird skeet and
Sporting clays matches. Barrels are inter-changable.

Pictures please!!! (of the trophies too!)

 

[Griz44Mag]

Hi,
This is one I restocked for a client in the style of Nicanor Kendall, a great Vermont maker of under hammers during the 19th century.

dave

That would be a beautiful rifle if he would shed that awful glob of Lyman off of it.

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
It's gotten worse, the owner dumped the peep sight and mounted a scope. I don't even want to look at the gun anymore.

dave

 

[arcticap]

That is not a Buggy rifle. Might have been at one time but that stock and the rest is all wrong.

Perhaps there were different models, generations or configurations, but it has the Hopkins & Allen name on the receiver which was made by Numrich.
The owner told me that it was Buggy Rifle.
If it's not then what else is it?
I believe that there are also some short barrel .36 underhammers with a peep sight that are also referred to as Buggy Rifles, which may more closely resemble the full size standard rifle configuration.
But production designs can change over time.
Just remember that different configurations are a possibility.
If you care to show us your Buggy Rifle then I'd appreciate seeing it.
Was it made by Numrich and marked H&A?

 

[Sinner]

Hey Hanshi, I'd be interested in buying that out to pasture .45 if you want to part with it. I had one when I was stationed in Kodiak, Alaska, and like a foolish young man I sold it... I certainly understand anyone not wanting to get rid of theirs!

 

[Sinner]

That's awesome, Griz44mag. You can always replace the barrel with new one and hold on to the original. Those .45 underhammers are super fun to shoot.

 

[8 BORE]

Pictures please!!! (of the trophies too!)

Sorry no time to take pictures

 

[Gene L]

Got a .36 "Offhand" (I think.) The forend split and I glued it back together, fine, but in the process I glued down the metal spring thing that holds the ramrod in place. I've only shot it off the bench, and it's accurate and in very good shape. I like it, function over form, but then I like odd guns, got a Darne modern shotgun that I absolutely love.

 

[Griz44Mag]

Sorry no time to take pictures

I thought Missouri was the "SHOW ME" state.
Got time to post 100 messages in the last 2 months but not enough time to take a picture.......

 

[Semisane]

One way to set a barrel up for a ramrod is to use a coupling nut. Select an appropriate size nut and drill out the threads for the size of your ramrod. Either solder it to the barrel or dovetail it in. Then drill and tap a hole in the bottom of the nut for a fore end attachment screw. I attached one like that to one my barrels over ten years ago using high grade steel epoxy and it's still on there.

https://www.homedepot.com/b/Hardware-Fasteners-Nuts-Rod-Coupling-Nuts/N-5yc1vZc2gl

 

[8 BORE]

I thought Missouri was the "SHOW ME" state.
Got time to post 100 messages in the last 2 months but not enough time to take a picture.......

Maybe when i have time

 

[Rifleman1776]

If you care to show us your Buggy Rifle then I'd appreciate seeing it.
Was it made by Numrich and marked H&A?

The Buggy rifle my wife shot and the type I sold in my shop were simply scaled down H&A underhammers. We eventually sold them all and do not have one anymore.