Ok guys and gals

[buckleymarka56]

I need some help identifying these rifles..someone I know asked me about them..
I believe the first is what I
Believe is an original brown bess.
The lock has TOWER ingraved in it along with the crown with GR under it.
I can only find 1 marking on the barrel..
It has a flat metal ramrod, and a screw at the base of the but plate.

 

[Mattox Forge]

That is a reproduction. The originals had engraved markings on the lock. Those marks are clearly stamped as indicated by the raised burrs around the lettering. The barrel serial number and logo are the markings found on Japanese Miroku made reproductions. See the markings on this one: SOLD - 2nd Pattern Miroku Brown Bess

An original would have Tower Government proof marks on the top surface of the barrel. These would be a crown over a broad arrow flanked by G R and closer to the breech would be a crown over crossed septres.

The lock's large crown marking is incorrect and also entirely stamped. The originals were partially engraved and stamped with small separate stamps. The attached images show various original markings.

Mike

 

[64Springer]

What those fellas did with no electricity and no lights and water powdered machinery never ceases to amaze.

Only 1% of 1% of our current world population could do all of that by hand.

 

[buckleymarka56]

Ok peeps here's some more .
There are 3 flintlicksxi looked at for a friend..above was the whole one.. next 1 in close to the first..
I found no markings of any kind.
The barrel is smooth bore and I know is not original, maybe a trade gun?

The 3rd looks like a Kentucky long rifle in 45, but It's a pinned barrel and I think is German silver inlays.

 

[buckleymarka56]

Silver one

 

[Mattox Forge]

The photos are a bit hard to interpret. Overall shots of the entire piece of each one would help.

From what I can see, the 2nd looks like it might be a conglomeration of parts from various French or US flintlock muskets slapped together to make a wall hanger. The barrel is a forced match to the lock and the stock. It appears to have had a lot of welding done in the breech area to build up the breech diameter to get it to be close to the width of the stock, the barrel does not fit the stock inleting, and the shape of the breech indicates it is probably from a percussion or even later era gun. If the picture of your hand holding what looks like a pipe, is the muzzle of the same gun, then the barrel is way to thick walled to have ever been a flint lock barrel. My guess is this is a recent, i.e. last 40 to 50 years, parts bash from random, reproduction or possibly old parts, to make a wall hanger.

The posted photos of the third gun looks like a very recently mass produced and inexpensive American / Pennsylvania styled reproduction flintlock of indifferent quality. The photo of the Miroku logo and serial number don't seem to fit in with the rest.

If these are representative of what your friend has, it seems that they have obtained a cache of recently made reproduction guns. So far the Miroku Brown Bess is the only one that would be worth trying to sell, if that's what they want to do.

Mike

 

[smo]

I would definitely check all of those guns too see if there’s a load in them….

I’ve bought more than one used Muzzleloader that was.

 

[Brokennock]

looks like a Kentucky long rifle in 45, but It's a pinned barrel

I'm confused. You seem to imply that a pinned barrel would make it not a (misnamed) Kentucky Longrifle.
Most, not all, most, of these guns (primarily made, or developed, in Pennsylvania at the time) had the barrel pinned into the stock.

And as said above,,, full length pictures would help a lot, and you definitely should drop a long dowel down the barrels and see if they are loaded.