OLD original barrels - what to build?

[rickystl]

Bolek is likely as good as any of the old masters. Incredible.

Rick

 

[Flintlock1640]

If you want to try something a little different, that octagon would be cool with my early Spanish/Roman style miquelet ca 1640s

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

Wow, LOVE that spring! Can I copy that lock to make one lefty???

 

[rickystl]

That BIG, plain miquelet lock would look great with the octagon barrel. The two cool things with that lock are it's size, and the lock plate, which looks just a bit like a carry over from the wheellock period.

Rick.

 

[shorthair]

Looking for suggestions ... @TobJohn and others, any suggestions?

Now I need to research and see what kind of OLD fire lock ‘best fits’ for these calibers, lengths and profiles, but maybe:

• A Matchlock for the octagonal one?
• A LH’d Wheellock for the swamped/spiral one?

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Looks like the beginnings of some superior gun porn.

 

[Rudyard]

Dale,
Lovely barrels and feeling quite envious!
The spiral job is fascinating.
I would do some digging to see if you can turn up one somewhat similar, and see how it was stocked up.
It Is a long barrel for that time period.
The octagonal would be a fairly good bet as coming from Lansknechts short arquuebus.

Coingrats on both, and please keep us posted on the shipping and such!

Bill,
I think the barrel will be lap welded full length at this time. Lovely work on both of them. I can more or less feel that soft iron!

R.

Agree most likley a scelp barrel the hutt might be loose . The Oct would suit all sorts the ' loop 'suggests a pinned barrel . Thiers some thing nice about stocking up old barrels' I got a pile of the Major Corry haul in the 60s and I've used most of them . They will improuve for fine boreing but even if rifled they clean up tolerably well enough to shoot or to get an example like this Afghan one Ile post now .
Regards Rudyard

 

[Rudyard]

Agree most likley a scelp barrel the hutt might be loose . The Oct would suit all sorts the ' loop 'suggests a pinned barrel . Thiers some thing nice about stocking up old barrels' I got a pile of the Major Corry haul in the 60s and I've used most of them . They will improuve for fine boreing but even if rifled they clean up tolerably well enough to shoot or to get an example like this Afghan one Ile post now .
Regards Rudyard

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The bright area round the Breach is due to the original so wasted I had to fit a section of steel tube to bring it out to suitable and gave it a Breach tang . The brass lion heads where dies for jewelers I picked up in Cawnpore . The lock part of my Afghani haul in 1969. might have been part of the Afghani's haul C 1840s But for ten bob apiece I wasn't gong to crib, but I did haggle hours as one does in such places . As a rough guide when they start questioning your nationality & think of shooing you away you know thieve gone about as low as their going to go . 100 Afghanis was then about ten shillings about three $ to the pound at the time (Now its dropped three points below the Matabele gumbo bead )
Regards
Haggling Rudyard

 

[Colonial Boy]

Rudyard,
Major Corry, the name rings a bell and I think I may have met him. Who was he?
Maybe it was another Officer who had a lot to do with firearms, 1957 at RAEME, Bandiana, Victoria.

 

[Rudyard]

Major Knowle Corry had a good collection of arms being I suppose a long time collector He had the Address of' Gun house Steeple Bumbstead '. He was getting on in years . Testy old Coot you could allway's find him in the Local .He wrote a lot in 'Guns Review' & 'Shooting Times' both UK magazines . He was RFD and some how made trips to the Middle East notably Persia after Persian Artillery Lugers .But to get these he had to take tons of confiscated guns taken from the Kurds (Ive tangled with Kurds there bastards or the ones I tangled with where ) .Hence Tons of these old barrels & rough Werndles & remnant double Scinde Irregular Horse carbines by Swinburn which points to his searches in Baluchistan . Whether he is your same Major ? Perhaps but he was certainly a Character .
Regards Rudyard

 

[Colonial Boy]

Major Knowle Corry had a good collection of arms being I suppose a long time collector He had the Address of' Gun house Steeple Bumbstead '. He was getting on in years . Testy old Coot you could allway's find him in the Local .He wrote a lot in 'Guns Review' & 'Shooting Times' both UK magazines . He was RFD and some how made trips to the Middle East notably Persia after Persian Artillery Lugers .But to get these he had to take tons of confiscated guns taken from the Kurds (Ive tangled with Kurds there bastards or the ones I tangled with where ) .Hence Tons of these old barrels & rough Werndles & remnant double Scinde Irregular Horse carbines by Swinburn which points to his searches in Baluchistan . Whether he is your same Major ? Perhaps but he was certainly a Character .
Regards Rudyard

Off topic, but not the one I knew. Mine donated some stuff to thr RAEME Training Centre. He’d been in change of the classification and disposal of arms handed in/captured during WWII, had a big personal collection.

 

[Rudyard]

Off topic, but not the one I knew. Mine donated some stuff to thr RAEME Training Centre. He’d been in change of the classification and disposal of arms handed in/captured during WWII, had a big personal collection.

Nope not same man we Arnt. too of topic .
Regards Rudyard

 

[rickystl]

Hi Rudyard

That is a great looking Jazail. Gotta love that barrel. Was worth the steel breech fix. It appears to be a smooth bore - correct ? After many years of viewing these Afghan Jazails, it seems that the origin of the barrels could be from most anywhere.

Rick

 

[BillinOregon]

Well, Dale, have you made any decisions yet?

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

... have you made any decisions yet?

Yes, firm on one of them, although the barrels have not arrived from Italy yet. I am also seeing Brian Anderson on the 20th of this month and will show him the original Miquelt and Wheellock locks that I've picked up, so he may have some ideas too! Thanks for asking!

Octagonal Barrel: Am going to copy my wheellock carbine in overall look, but scale it to the Miquelet lockplate, which is also roughly 'diamond shaped', so the provenane will be a former Wheellock carbine upgrade with a Miquelet lock.

Twisted Barrel: Am considering a left-handed snapping matchlock ....

 

[rickystl]

Hi Dale

Good ideas for BOTH. That big, plain miquelet lock is just screaming to have a gun built using it. LOL

Rick

 

[TobJohn]

Yes, firm on one of them, although the barrels have not arrived from Italy yet. I am also seeing Brian Anderson on the 20th of this month and will show him the original Miquelt and Wheellock locks that I've picked up, so he may have some ideas too! Thanks for asking!

Octagonal Barrel: Am going to copy my wheellock carbine in overall look, but scale it to the Miquelet lockplate, which is also roughly 'diamond shaped', so the provenane will be a former Wheellock carbine upgrade with a Miquelet lock.

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Twisted Barrel: Am considering a left-handed snapping matchlock ....

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Please share any pro tips that Brian Anderson allows you to! His knowledge on lock making is A+!

 

[rickystl]

Dale: Tell Brian Rick says hello from St. Louis. Thanks.

A question on that spiral barrel. I know you haven't received it yet, but can you tell if the barrel has any dove tails or otherwise evidence of past under pinning ?

Rick

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

A question on that spiral barrel. I know you haven't received it yet, but can you tell if the barrel has any dove tails or otherwise evidence of past under pinning?

Good eye! There does appear to be a dovetail-like slot milled into the bottom of the barrel.

 

[TobJohn]

Good eye! There does appear to be a dovetail-like slot milled into the bottom of the barrel.

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I have a book with photos of Italian barrels that are contemporary to this. When I’m back from work, I can see if they have similar cuts or lugs.

 

[rickystl]

Thanks Dale. That does indeed look like an under lug. There is a reason I asked, but will go into latter.

"Generally" Spanish and South Italian guns started to show up using barrel bands from at least the early-18th century onward. Earlier guns used pin fastened. So, in the case of the spiral barrel pin fastening would seem more appropriate. And my guess is that the lock is from Southern Italy. It has both Italian and Spanish features.

Rick