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kevin beers

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Is an over the powder card and op wads the same thing or are the two different materials?Which is better or use both?I read and read and read looking for topics on this forum andwas not sure.
 
kbeers said:
Is an over the powder card and op wads the same thing or are the two different materials?Which is better or use both?I read and read and read looking for topics on this forum andwas not sure.
There are a variety of different wads types, materials, and sizes that can be used over powder...but the reference to "OP" is just an abbreviation for the words "Over Powder"...both uses are referring to the notion of placing some sort of and amount of wadding over the powder before pouring in the shot or seating a ball. Depending on their material, their size, and their purpose some are called "OP cards", some are called "OP wads"...there are also wads called "cushion wads" that are used in place of or sit on top of an OP card/wad.
(You'll hear a similar reference to an "OS" card or wad...OS=Over Shot...to keep the shot from rolling out of the muzzle).

In any case one of the reasons for an OP card/wad is to seal gases behind the projectile for more consistent performance as less gas is allowed to leak past a patched ball for example.

Another purpose is to act as a firewall so a patch doesn't burn up from a too-hot fire so the patch doesn't fail.

Another benefit is to introduce more lube into the bore which minimizes fouling.

And for shot of course, you have to have something to prevent the gases from simply blowing right up through the loose shot, and the wadding does that like the wad inside a modern shotgun shell.
 
For shotguns the over powder cards are usually layered cardboard about 1/8" thick. Wads are fiber (often Celotex) and about 1/2" thick. Over shot cards are very thin (1/32") stiff cardboard - like a cereal box. These are all available from Circle Fly.

For conicals the wads are again the 1/8" variety, cardboard or vegetable fiber.
 
There are three distinct types of wads. The Over Powder Wad is usually a hard cardboard wad that is 1/8" thick. The Cushion wad is made of softer material, often celotex, the insulating wall board use in housing construction, that is 1/2" thick. Cushion wads are usually lubricate before being used, and there are pre-lubed cushion wads sold that are made of materials other than celotex. You will also see home made cushion wads being used by shotgun shooters, punched out of synthetic materials, like those nylon sponges, or styrofoam insulation sheet. The thickness can vary from very thin, as in the styrofoam trays used under packaged meat, to 1/2" thick pieces cut from sheets of styrofoam sold by home supply stores for home insulation.

The third wad is called a " Card wad" or " Over Shot Card ", because it is made from 1/10th" thick card stock, the same stock used for shirt backs when you buy a new shirt at the store. The thin cardboard has a hard, shiny surface on both sides. It is used to hole the shot in the barrel until the round is fired.

Traditionally, shotguns were loaded with a powder charge, then an OP wad, then a lubed cushion wad, then the shot, then the OS card on top. Early brass casing shotgun shells were often loaded with almost the same components. Even the early paper, and plastic shotgun shell were loaded with similar components, but smokeless powder was substituted, and often different or thicker cushion wads were used to fill up the difference in the casings. The OS cards remained in use as long as cartridges were closed with a roll crimp. When the modern shotgun shell, made of plastic, and using a plastic wad and shotcup to hold the shot, and seal the bore was employed, the mouths of the cases were crimped with a 6 or 8 point star crimp, rather than using the older roll crimp. Other than design work on the shotcups and the wad bases to the cups, there has not been much development in shotgun shells in the last 50 years. New powders are being used and offered, but the plastic shotcup/wad combination insert is where the only real competition has occurred between the manufacturers.

If you own a cartridge gun, and want to shoot BP in it, I recommend buying the Brass casings for this purpose. You can shoot BP in plastic casings, but it burns the plastic and melts what it doesn't scorch, weakening the casing to the point that more than maybe 2 reloads is pushing your luck, and endangering your gun. The brass casings can last 3 lifetimes, if care is taken in how they are handled and loaded.

For ML shotguns, stick with the tradional wads. Jim Rackham has suggested that using only OS cards makes hunting a much simpler process, in that you don't have to carry around some of all three wads. He uses 4 OS cards to replace the OP and cushion wads, then uses 2 OS cards to hold his shot load in the barrel. Poke a hole off-center in each of the OS cards to help you seat them easily down the barrel, and just turn the cards so none of the holes align with the hole in he card next to it. When the cards leave the barrel, air separates the cards, where they quickly fall to the groud, and don't follow the shot, and " BUMP" the shot to create a " donut hole pattern", as seems to happen when lubricated cushion wads are used.
 
Thanks for the info .What is the best thing for me to use over the powder under a conical I bought remington wonder wads .They are like a felt button with wonder lube.Are these sufficiant or should I use the thinner card board like op wads .Not sure what to buy?
 
kbeers said:
Thanks for the info .What is the best thing for me to use over the powder under a conical I bought remington wonder wads .They are like a felt button with wonder lube.Are these sufficiant or should I use the thinner card board like op wads .Not sure what to buy?
Prelubed Oxyoke 'wonderwads' (also sold under the label of TC, CVA, Remington, etc, etc) are excellent for use when shooting conicals...and I'm speaking from personal first hand experience.
 
Thanks I'll give them a try have you used the harder op wads or are they just for shot guns?And I have a .54 cal should I use buttons for 54cal or slightly larger to get the best gas seal?
 
kbeers said:
Thanks I'll give them a try have you used the harder op wads or are they just for shot guns?And I have a .54 cal should I use buttons for 54cal or slightly larger to get the best gas seal?
The only over powder products I use in rifles, for both conical and round ball hunting loads, are Oxyoke prelubed wonderwads...and they've always lived up to the advertised benefits.
In my rifles, I do use the next larger caliber size wad, but my decision is based upon my personal range tests and logical assumptions/conclusions.

Based upon my personal experience, Oxyoke prelubed wonderwads are also excellent in .54cal/.28ga, .62cal/.20ga, and .12ga smoothbores as OP wads for shot charges...they make them in many sizes right on up to at least .12 and .10ga that I've personally bought.
 
If you are shooting solid base conicals, use the felt wads and have fun. They work fine. If you are going to shoot HOLLOW BASE conicals, then go to the 1/8" thick OP wads. That keeps any chance that a wad will be pushed up into the hollow the bullet from happening.

Some HB shooters will fill the base with lube before firing, and that would allow you to use the softer felt wads. However, I do not know what affect putting grease in the hollow bases will have on the accuracy of the conicals down range.I have removes conicals from the backstops at ranges that still had wood plugs, and some with caked grease still present in the collapsed bases, so I belived that grease goes along for the ride in these bullets.

The grease is put in the hollow base to provide hydraulic pressure, with light loads, to expand the " skirt " of the bullet to fill the grooves in the barrel, providing a good seal, and better spin to the bullet. With the felt wads, the skirt does not have to be expected to provide a complete seal to the gases, and the wad does this job, as well. A soft felt wad is not going to provide the same kind of seal as a harder cardboard wad of the correct size for your groove diameter will, but together, the soft felt wad and the skirt provide better accuracy with HB conicals.
 
Can anyone tell me where I can find the 1/8 inch wads to fit a .54 cal bore .I have only seen to fit up to 50cal and alot are marked as 20 gauge 28 guage what size would best fit for 54cal bore.By the way thanks for all the help I really appreciate it!
 
kbeers said:
Can anyone tell me where I can find the 1/8 inch wads to fit a .54 cal bore .I have only seen to fit up to 50cal and alot are marked as 20 gauge 28 guage what size would best fit for 54cal bore.By the way thanks for all the help I really appreciate it!
.28ga is actually the .54cal...start looking at the top of the forum...advertiser "The Possible Shop"...also places like:
[url] www.cainsoutdoor.com[/url]
[url] www.octobercountry.com[/url]
 
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Look at Track of the wolf's catalog, and you will find them, probably under 28 gauge. Circle fly makes them, and you can buy them directly from them. See the links for contact info.
 

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