Over engineered??

[Zonie]

I hate to be a spoilsport but I noticed the pictures were copyrighted?

It might be a good idea to get permission before using them.

 

[ken.clements]

I hate to be a spoilsport but I noticed the pictures were copyrighted?

It might be a good idea to get permission before using them.

yes they are..but as no one is using these commercially it is not a problem for me to translate them (according to his writen posted copyrights).
I can't change the (copy and paste)langauge anyway, it's been programmed in the internet side and then I would be breaking copyrights.
I'll get started on it...

 

[ken.clements]

ok please don't ask me to post this...I'm somewhat in the dark of copyright laws and such...if some one writes to me and asks me to translate something for reasons of understanding.......I think thats allowed.

 

[paulvallandigham]

Copyright law allows fair use without paying a fee if its for education purposes. As long as the source of the material is identified, you can use it on these forums. The author might even benefit from your Translation, which is YOUR copyrightable literature!

Just don't put the material in a book or pamphlet for sale, without getting permission from the publisher or author- whoever holds the copyright.

Check out Sections 101-108 of the U.S.Copyright Law. Section 107 describes "fair use".

 

[FPDoc]

Here is the babelfish version, I can't claim to "completly comprehend" this article from this translation. :rotf: It's all run together but perhaps with the documants pulled up "side-by-side" and reviewed "slide-by-slide" :idunno:
P.S. this is for educational purposes ONLY and credit to the author as per this thread.. Thanks Paul.. Hope this clears it all up.. No wonder the world is in such a state.

Theory of the French Flintschlosses Copyright P. Kunz, work living, 2002 In the strained condition the cock up to the impact must on the steel one sufficient large starting distance I have available thereby a sufficient speed for the sparking stands. I Strained condition The safety device bar Q, which intervenes in the Studelaussparung, must low-friction and the bar feather/spring P not to strong its, so that a safe cock Rückhaltung is ensured and the Schussauslösung can take place nevertheless with small Kraft Low-friction releasing mechanism The impact feather/spring T must be strong and at a long life span one large cock way ensure Impact feather/spring The battery feather/spring U must guarantee that the powder pan is well locked, the friction for the sparking been sufficient, without shortening the life span of the Flints unnecessarily. U Battery feather/spring The safety rest R must be so placed that the cover those Powder pan completely locks and also with a long Flint these with V not affected. 12 R Safety device rest The impact angle Y of the Flints on the steel must being larger than approx. 120 around splintering the Flints to avoid. Y Flint impact angle The Flint must along-rub with more strongly becoming pressure on the steel surface, so that the sparking is strengthened to the powder pan. This will be reached by shortening of the lever arm Z. Z Z Flint Reibdruck The Flint must manage so far over the cock lips that also after one Wear of the Flints the upper cock lip never the steel affects. Flint position wrongly In the case of the impact of the Flints on the steel the line A must by the Flintspitze, which to the cock axle B is perpendicular, always above the fulcrum of the battery lies thereby an inhibition is avoided. 9 B Flint Reibwinkel Also with a broken off Flint the cock screw should not strike with X the steel. It was bent thereby and a Flintwechsel not possibly becomes X Cock screw In a state of rest the distance F between Flintspitze and powder pan must be sufficient be large, so that the Flintspitze is stressed not unnecessarily of the powder heat. F Cock state of rest The battery should be complete at the end of the expiration in the Offenstellung and not snap back and sufficient place W to reloading the powder herb permit. W Battery open position The battery steel S must be to mindest gas-carburized. S Battery surface The Flint must with more angemesser Frictional force the battery open and time by a spark rain the black powder in that Powder pan ignite Sequence of functions 1 Sequence of functions 2 Sequence of functions 3 Sequence of functions 4 Sequence of functions 5 Sequence of functions 6 Sequence of functions 7 Typical mass of Flintschlössern E F State of rest C G H Impact condition D = = I Strained K L M Pistols A B C D E F G H I K L M R Pistol, approx. 1740 18 32 8 8,5 +3 5 12,5 22 36,5 33 10 30 37 Pistol, approx. 1760 19 32 8 8,5 +4 5 11 18 33 33 10 32 37 Pistol Osman 1800 24 43 8 6 -1 11,5 10 24 52 47 12 47 49 Pistol Kentuky 1800 22 33 7,5,7,5 -3 18 18,5 25 38 30 10 30 40 Pistol Mod. 1763 21 38 9 8,5 -2 7 12,5 22 41 40 12 40 43 Rider pistol 25 30 9 7,5 -1 5 10 23 41 36 10 38 44 Rifles army A B C D E F G H I K L M R Rifle at IX, CH 28 48 14 10,5 0 11 19,5 35 56 43 15 42 56 Brown Bess, GB 29 49 15 10 +1 10 19 34 59 49 13 58 57 Rifle K& K 1754 27 48 11 10 0 9 20 34 56 52 10 51 55 Carbine 1740, F 28 49 11 10 +2 10 21 31 55 49 15 45 56 Muskete, Goetz ZH 36 42 11 10 +4 11 14 35 32 41 13 44 55 Rifles privately A B C D E F G H I K L M R Stutzer, 1720 29 35 9 7 -2 3 12 32 29 38 13 39 46 Standards of the Flinthähne of army weapons K 50 10 C14 G 20 I 34 9 A 28 E +2 The indicated mass are standards in mm for army Flinschloss rifles like e.g. the French model 1777 and the English model Brown Bess Standards of the Flinthähne of private weapons K 33 D D 8 C 8 G 12 I 34 9 A 18 E +3 The indicated mass are standards in mm for French Flinschloss Rifles for Privatgebrauchwie e.g. for disk contactors and hunters < Cock > < Plate > < Battery > < Various one > A B R K L C D G H M E F I Privately pistol 18 32 37 33 10 8 8 12 20 31 3 5 34 mm 49 86 100 89 27 22 22 32 54 84 8 14 92% 55 97 112,100 30 24 24 36 61 94 9 15 103% Army rifle 28 48 56 50 10 14 10 20 34 50 +2 10 34 mm 50 86 100 89 18 25 18 36 61 89 +4 18 61% 56 96 112,100 20 28 20 40 68 100 +4 20 68% Stutzer, CH 29 35 46 38 13 9 7 12 32 39 -2 3 34 mm 63 76 100 83 28 20 15 26 70 85 -4 7 74% 76 92 121,100 34 24 18 32 84 103 -5 8 89% K D C G I 9 A E Measured mass of different Flinthähne In the table contained the mass in mm became at the locks measured. Between that French, German and English Flintschlössern exist isometrically only small differences.

 

[ken.clements]

Copyright law allows fair use without paying a fee if its for education purposes. As long as the source of the material is identified, you can use it on these forums. The author might even benefit from your Translation, which is YOUR copyrightable literature!

Just don't put the material in a book or pamphlet for sale, without getting permission from the publisher or author- whoever holds the copyright.

Check out Sections 101-108 of the U.S.Copyright Law. Section 107 describes "fair use".

1) Theory of the French Flintlock
2) Cocked: The movement of the Hammer (I) must be long enough to build enough speed that when the Hammer strikes the steel enough sparks are produced.
3) Smooth running mechanics: The safety (Q) must have smooth and easy movement and the spring (P) cannot be to strong or to weak. The spring (P) has to garantee a safe cocking of the Hammer but should also be as easy as possible to use.
4) The main spring: the main spring (T) has to be strong and garantee a long life throughout the large movement of the hammer.
5) The battery spring: The battery spring (U) must garantee that the powder pan is closed and has enough strength to withstand the movement of the Hammer while producing sparks without unnecessarily shortening the life span of the Flint.
6) The Safety rest: The Safety rest (R) must be placed so that the Battery cover of the Powder pan is completly closed and even with a long flint so that there is no contact between the flint and the Battery (V).
7) Contact angle: The contact angle of the Flint to the Battery must be larger than 120 Degrees to prevent a splintering of the flint.
8) The Flint rubbing pressure: The Flint has to rub against the Battery with continuily building pressure to ensure producing a higher spark content towards the powder pan. This is done through shortening of lever arm (Red Z).
9) Position of the Flint: The Flint must extend over the edge of the Hammer clamps. The Hammer clamps should never touch the Battery even through much use and a shortning of the Flint itself.
10) Flint rubbing Angle: When the Flintedge impacts with the Battery building line A which is a right angle to Hammer axis B it always has to be above the turning point of the Battery to prevent a blocking of the action.
11) Hammer Screw: The Hammer Screw should never come in contact with the Battery even if the Flint is broken off. This will bend the screw which will make a change of the flint impossible.
12) Hammer uncocked (for lack of a better description,sorry): When the Hammer is uncocked the distance (F) between the Flintedge and the Powder pan muss be large enough to prevent the Flint from being abused from the heat of the Powder.
13) Battery Opening measurement: The Battery should be at the end of the firing sequence completly open and not snap closed again. the opening (W) should be large enough to garantee a reloading of the pan Powder.
14) Battery face: The Battery steel (S) has to at least face hardend. The Flint must open the the Battery with enough pressure and at the same time produce a rain of sparks in the Powder pan to ignite the Powder.
15) Working drawing.
16) Working drawing.
17) Working drawing.
18) Working drawing.
19) Working drawing.
20) Working drawing.
21) Working drawing.
22) Typical measuremnets of listed Flintlocks. The measurements are in Metric system.
23) Guide measurements of the Flintlock Hammer of Mitilary Rifles. The below mentioned measurements are in mm (millimeters) for Mlitary Rifles for example Brown Bess and the French 1777.
24) Guide measurements of the Flintlock Hammer for Private weapons. The below mentioned measurements are in mm (millimeters) for French Flintlocks in the civilian usige of hunting and Target shooters.
25) Measurements of different Flintlocks. The measurements in the tabel below written were taken from the mentioned Locks themselves. Between the German, English, and French Locks measured there are only very small differences.

 

[FPDoc]

I vote for Ken's version :thumbsup:

 

[longcruise]

Thanks Ken, I tried to paste into bable fish but the text in the GIF images would not "select". How did you do it?

 

[trent/OH]

:applause: :applause: :applause: Three cheers for Ken!

 

[CrackStock]

Yes, there is a copyright, but I can reference the original site and give proper credit along with supplying Herr Clements' helpful English translation of the text for educational purposes. I have no commercial interest and would not represent this as my own creation.
This should satisfy any concerns.

 

[miqueleter]

Ken, thank you-thank you-thank you! I was getting worried no one would show up to translate what I dug up. Now I can go back and view the article with way more understanding. At first I thought it was a take-off of an article on lock proportions and the Golden Mean by John Bivins and associates.

 

[CrackStock]

This could make a useful PowerPoint for teaching the basic operation of a flintlock.

I think that I would slightly amend the drawings to demonstrate some of the details of the tumbler and seer function.

I tried to edit some of this text for our understanding. Hopefully, I have it all sorted out now. Please feel free to make further amendments.



1) Theory of operation of the French Flintlock

2) Fully Cocked: The movement of the cock (I) must be long enough to build enough speed that when the flint strikes the steel frizzen strong sparks are produced.

3) Smooth running mechanics: The seer (Q) must have smooth and easy movement along the tumbler and the seer spring (P) cannot be too strong or too weak. The spring (P) has to guarantee a safe cocking of the cock but should also be as easy as possible to use.

4) The main spring: the main spring (T) has to be strong to guarantee a strong movement throughout the long arc of movement of the cock.

5) The feather spring (also known as frizzen spring or hammer spring): The feather spring (U) must guarantee that the powder pan stays closed until the flint strikes it. This is done by pressing upward against the frizzen cam. It should also have enough strength to slow the movement of the cock in order to produce sparks without unnecessarily shortening the life span of the Flint. Finally, it must also keep the frizzen from rebounding back against the flint after the shot has been fired. This is done by upward pressure against the Frizzen Cam as it is held open between the Frizzen Cam and Frizzen Spur.

6) The tumbler has a half cock notch (R) which is positioned to keep the flint from touching the frizzen when the frizzen is set upright and covering the pan. This distance should be kept even with a long flint so that there is no contact between the flint and the Battery (V). This position is commonly used for loading.

7) Contact angle: The contact angle of the Flint to the Frizzen (Y) must be larger than 120 Degrees to prevent a splintering of the flint.

8) The Flint scraping pressure: The Flint has to scrape against the Frizzen face while continually building pressure to ensure producing a higher spark content towards the powder pan. This is done through shortening of lever arm aka frizzen foot(Red Z).

9) Position of the Flint: The Flint must extend over the edge of the flint jaws. The flint jaws should never touch the Frizzen even after much use and shortening of the Flint itself.

10) Flint rubbing Angle: When the Flint edge impacts with the Frizzen building line A which is a right angle to cock axis B it always has to be above the turning point of the Frizzen to prevent a blocking of the action.

11) Cock Screw or flint screw: The Cock Screw should never come in contact with the Frizzen even if the Flint is broken off. This will bend the screw which will make a change of the flint impossible.

12) Cock forward (uncocked): When the cock is forward - in the fired position, the distance (F) between the Flint edge and the Powder pan must be large enough to prevent the Flint from being scorched from the heat of the Powder.

13) Frizzen Opening measurement: At the end of the firing sequence the Frizzen should be completely open and should not snap closed again. The opening (W) should be large enough to permit a reloading of the pan Powder.

14) Frizzen face: The frizzen steel (S) has to at least be face hardened. The Flint must open the Frizzen with enough pressure to produce a rain of sparks toward the Powder pan to ignite the Powder.

15) Cock pulled to full cock position

16) Half cock position for loading or cock moving forward in early stage of firing motion.

17) 17) Forward movement in firing action at point where the flint meets the frizzen face and sparks are made.

18) Forward movement of flint farther along frizzen face with more sparking.

19) Forward movement of flint at the lower portion of frizzen face.

20) Flint is finally clearing the frizzen face and sending sparks toward the powder in the pan.

21) Sparks are finally igniting the powder in the pan. (This often happens earlier when the flint first strikes the frizzen.

22) Typical measurements of listed Flintlocks. The measurements are in Metric system.
are in mm (millimeters) for Military Rifles for example Brown Bess and the French 1777.

23) Guide measurements of the Flintlocks of Military Rifles. The above mentioned measurements.

24) Guide measurements of the Flintlocks for Private weapons. The Above mentioned measurements are in mm (millimeters) for French Flintlocks in the civilian usage of hunting and Target shooters.

25) Measurements of different Flintlocks. The measurements in the table above written were taken from the mentioned Locks themselves. Between the German, English, and French Locks measured there are only very small differences.


Gratefully adapted from the website:

http://www.feuerwaffen.ch/HTML/HTML%20Flintschloss%20Theorie%20mini/sld002.html

and amended from the post by our friend above.

 

[ken.clements]

Thanks Ken, I tried to paste into bable fish but the text in the GIF images would not "select". How did you do it?

I taught myself German.....I decided to stay here after 5 years Military and when in Rome.....