SOLD Parker Hale 1861 Enfield Carbine (Made in Birmingham England)

[VA Hawken]

Parker Hale 1861 2 band Enfield Carbine Replica, early production rifle manufactured in England, SN 4471.

Blue/Black barrel in excellent condition, correct ladder type rear sights out to 600 yards. Stock finish overall excellent, some minor scratches and scrapes, right side of the buttstock shows the Parker Hale LTD stamped cartouche. Brass buttplate has a couple of very minor rash marks on top and toe, where the rifle was obviously placed on the ground. Barrel and rifling are excellent, some original machining marks showing, but no pitting. Has been fired, but I'd say very lightly used given overall condition. Some evidence of firing on the musket nipple and around, some very slight discoloration of the case hardening on the lock plate around the hammer. The proofing stamp stamp on the bottom of the barrel is for 3 1/2 drams of black powder (95 grains) with a 577 cal, 536gr bullet, which should be considered the maximum safe load. Normal loads as noted by others on this forum would be in the 40-45gr of powder. Overall length 40" with the 24" barrel, length of pull is 14", weight 7lbs 2oz. Otherwise, everything as depicted in photos. Please ask about any specific questions I've perhaps not covered.

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[Muley Gil]

I have a P-H musketoon also, # 4662. They are fine shooters. Good luck with your sale.

 

[jgraham1]

Sold mine a year or so ago. That was sure a mistake! They are great rifles.

Jerry

 

[TFoley]

Sir, you wrote - 'Load stamp on the bottom of the barrel is for 3 1/2 drams of black powder (95 grains) with a 577 cal, 536gr bullet.'

Here in UK, where the gun was made and proofed, that is considered to be the maximum safe load for proof of this arm, not, as you seem to imply, the usual load.

The Musketoon in service used either the same load as the service rifle - 2 1/2 drams, around 68g - or a reduced load of 60gr, which was the standard service load for the Springfield rifle used by both sides, when available.

Using 95gr and the usual Minié bullet will dump you on your butt, or, at least, put you off shooting it for life. In case you disbelieve me, please feel free to try it and see what happens. From where I'm standing, that looks a lot like the old 'Here, hold my beer.....' thing.

In fact, as mentioned on this forum many times by N-SSA people and other highly experienced competition shooters, the best load for this arm seems to hover around 45 - 50gr. It's comfortable, and what more, won't blow your head off. All I'm saying is that in over thirty-five years of shooting mine, I've NEVER exceeded the top British service load - even that was a lot less fun than you can imagine.

 

[TFoley]

I have a P-H musketoon also, # 4662. They are fine shooters. Good luck with your sale.

Next time you have it to bits, please let us know the details of the proof marks - for Mr Minshall, who collects serials and proof dates for his growing P-H record-keeping. TIA

 

[VA Hawken]

Here in UK, where the gun was made and proofed, that is considered to be the maximum safe load for proof of this arm, not, as you seem to imply, the usual load.

I appreciate you correcting me on the proof marks and maximum load. I don't think I was consciously implying that was a standard load, but I can see how that could have been taken. I'll correct the listing to reflect that.

I also appreciate your insight to other details regarding this rifle. A whole lot I don't know, obviously.

 

[VA Hawken]

Price reduced to $1400 plus shipping and insurance

 

[VA Hawken]

BTT
Price reduced to $1300 plus shipping and insurance

 

[tim-jon]

Good morning, I am interested in your rifle. Would you pm me to discuss? Thank you. Tim

 

[VA Hawken]

Reply sent

 

[VA Hawken]

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