Parts and instruction.

[tenngun]

Looking at guns built on this forum we have a load of master who make works of art
I ain’t one of them. I can take a thousand dollars worth of parts and turn it into a five hundred dollar gun
Magic
But
I got far more then five hundred dollars of fun out of building it
As said it’s addictive
And while my girls aren’t the prettiest at the ball, that shoot well, make smoke and make me smile
It’s the journey not the destination

 

[thehorn]

From the looks of the instructions, the stock, and the bag of small parts, it's a CVA Kentucky pistol kit. But the barrel and breech plug are not CVA and it'd be too much work trying to make that barrel and plug work for your situation. Source a CVA pistol barrel with breech plug installed and a lock from eBay and/or Deer Creek. Good luck with your project; you'll have fun!

 

[Clint Meier]

Howdy romoshka, I may be crazy as a pet **** and blind as a bat, but in looking at the photo you posted in post #4 above, it sure looks to me like there is a percussion lock, a trigger guard and a bag of misc. parts inside a metal candy box just above the stock. Are these parts for something else? If not, and I could be wrong, but you may already have all the parts you need! I hope this is the case! Let us know, sir.

 

[beardedhorse]

Track of the Wolf used to sell hard copy printed catalogs. Photos were life sized. Xerox a picture of lock close to length and width and general contour dimensions on your lock mortise. Carefully glue to cardboard and trim. See if the cardboard template fits into your lock inlet (mortise). While on their web site, check out list of books aimed at basic gunsmithing for muzzle loaders. Good luck on your projects.

 

[SDSmlf]

Track of the Wolf used to sell hard copy printed catalogs. Photos were life sized. Xerox a picture of lock close to length and width and general contour dimensions on your lock mortise. Carefully glue to cardboard and trim. See if the cardboard template fits into your lock inlet (mortise). While on their web site, check out list of books aimed at basic gunsmithing for muzzle loaders. Good luck on your projects.

You can print items on the current TOW website to see how items like a lock may fit. You just have to set your printer to print the item ‘full size’, NOT ‘fit to paper size’.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

A free barrel, machine tools, with knowledge of their use, willingness to ask about what you dint know and a can do attitude. Nothing can keep you from building what you envision.

Because of what you stated I will offer no comment.
You covered it.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Looking at guns built on this forum we have a load of master who make works of art
I ain’t one of them. I can take a thousand dollars worth of parts and turn it into a five hundred dollar gun
Magic
But
I got far more then five hundred dollars of fun out of building it
As said it’s addictive
And while my girls aren’t the prettiest at the ball, that shoot well, make smoke and make me smile
It’s the journey not the destination

Bingo. And all our BP Heirs will be happy to have it.

 

[mikesto44]

Just for support for you. My first scratch built gun had a 46 inch swamped Getz barrel. Blank stock and L - R classic lock. No instructions an no other parts what's so ever. Just a picture on the cover of Muzzle Blasts. You can do this...!

 

[Patched]

I say go for it….
where you buying these $65 locks?….L&Rs are $153 from them directly (bought 1 last week) and flinters are $225.
Davis, Chambers and Kiblers are $300…Deer Creek may have some Spanish Jukar thing for $65

I have several great shooting in-line CVA Kodiaks from Gunbroker that didn’t cost $153….go for it …education isn’t cheap.

 

[romoshka]

Howdy romoshka, I may be crazy as a pet **** and blind as a bat, but in looking at the photo you posted in post #4 above, it sure looks to me like there is a percussion lock, a trigger guard and a bag of misc. parts inside a metal candy box just above the stock. Are these parts for something else? If not, and I could be wrong, but you may already have all the parts you need! I hope this is the case! Let us know, sir.

Yes sir, those parts are there. The lock is for a complete KY rifle kit also inherited from my father. That kit is complete and still in the original box. I pulled the lock to see if it would fit this pistol but for reference only annd it will be returned to that box. And the photo was incomplete on my part as I do have the trigger guard, nose cap and ram rod thimbles. Ram rod tips and all fasteners are absent. I can make the screws once I determine the thread. The 2 nose cap screws as depicted in the exploded diagram appear to be machine screws and so would have to thread into blind holes on the underside of the barrel? Yes? Since the barrel is a blank all machine work will be required. If I can acquire some dimensions I can turn a drum and the drill and tap the barrel to accept it. So I’m still in seek (data) and search (parts-mainly just a lock but it appears Deer Creek has one). This is going to be fun than building the motorcycle we took to bonneville.

 

[SDSmlf]

If I can acquire some dimensions I can turn a drum and the drill and tap the barrel to accept it.

Might find some inspiration at TOW.

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Search.aspx?search=Drum

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/810/1/tool-drum

 

[1950DAVE]

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[romoshka]

Just for support for you. My first scratch built gun had a 46 inch swamped Getz barrel. Blank stock and L - R classic lock. No instructions an no other parts what's so ever. Just a picture on the cover of Muzzle Blasts. You can do this...!

Thanks. The more I look at this the more determined I’ve become.

Might find some inspiration at TOW.

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Search.aspx?search=Drum

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/810/1/tool-drum

Thanks. From TOW I now know drums are either 7/16 or 1/2” with either 5/16-24 or 3/8-26 thread

 

[romoshka]

You could elect either flint or percussion -either way you have to find the right place to drill the barrel.

I’m going to go percussion and looking for location to drill for the drum. At this point it appears to be determined by the lock/barrel relationship

 

[romoshka]

Big thanks to all who’ve chimed in with advise and to the naysayers too. They just urged me on. As luck would have it I’ve located a small box that contains ALMOST all the rest of the small bits to complete this pistol. Now only need to source a lock and a dowel for the ramrod.

 

[ronaldrothb49]

I’m going to go percussion and looking for location to drill for the drum. At this point it appears to be determined by the lock/barrel relationship

On the original CVA barrels the threads on the breech plug were over 3/4" long and the drum was installed into the breech plug with a flash channel drilled though the breech plug to the bore. You probably don't have that option. The drum needs to be installed in front of the breech plug and also needs to be supported by the bolster on the lock. Muzzleloader builder supply has drums with 1/4 X 28 threads if you don't have a lot of space to get in front of the Breech plug but it is even more important to make sure the drum is supported by the lock bolster with that small threads. Good deal that you found most of the parts you will need. I am re-building a flintlock version of that same pistol. A little easier to do than what you are doing. I have the original barrel so I will have to cut the breech plug to around 1/2" so I can bet the touch hole in front of the breech.

 

[Rebel bull]

On the original CVA barrels the threads on the breech plug were over 3/4" long and the drum was installed into the breech plug with a flash channel drilled though the breech plug to the bore. You probably don't have that option. The drum needs to be installed in front of the breech plug and also needs to be supported by the bolster on the lock. Muzzleloader builder supply has drums with 1/4 X 28 threads if you don't have a lot of space to get in front of the Breech plug but it is even more important to make sure the drum is supported by the lock bolster with that small threads. Good deal that you found most of the parts you will need. I am re-building a flintlock version of that same pistol. A little easier to do than what you are doing. I have the original barrel so I will have to cut the breech plug to around 1/2" so I can bet the touch hole in front of the breech.

I have converted several original CVA's to flint all you really need to do is cut the percussion drum off and file flat with the barrel then tap the fire channel just deep enough for the vent liner of your choice works great