Patchbox on Kibler Woodsrunner

[Psycho Mike]

Have you made and attached the brass end cap on the lid yet? You know, the thing that looks like this.

Jim usually includes a small sheet of brass from which to make it.

dave

Hopefully when I get to mine (my kit arrived today), I can do it justice. I have plans for some carving and lines on my lid/cover...but the brass is going to take some work. Tempted to find some for a toe plate too....we'll see.

 

[Psycho Mike]

Agreed, it needs the cap. As I recall the brass screws are included as well.

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Love the leaf and lines...I have plans for something generally similar, just using something different than the leaf.

 

[FlinterNick]

Help please on patchbox. I can't get the spring to lock in behind the buttplate. I sanded the back of patchbox slightly so spring moves freely. When I slide the patchbox on, I don't think its going forward enough for spring to drop down behind buttplate and catch.

Should I file the spring to move the notch closer to the screw? Should I attempt to file a notch in the buttplate?

Any suggestions on this please?

Thank you

I would ask Jim, Jim also may have tutorials on his website.

 

[FlinterNick]

Agreed, it needs the cap. As I recall the brass screws are included as well.

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Excellent work Ian.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

Wish mine would have come out like the ones you guys put up pics of. Being my first mistakes were made with the fitment of the brass. Moreover, making sure it fit the butt plate properly when finished. It's not terrible but now thinking of getting another lid and brass piece for round two.

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
You will find quite a few original long rifles without brass ends on the wooden patch box lids but it was not the norm. Most have a cover. It is also a good exercise for new builders because the patch box is easily replaceable if you screw up and fitting to the lid, contouring and angling it to match the butt plate and fitting the spring to it are all tasks requiring you to develop good hand skills, which will be important if you desire to build your own guns in the future.

dave

 

[anticus]

Has anyone tried to install a brass patch box on the Woodsrunner ?

 

[dave_person]

Hi anticu,
That would be hard because the butt plate is already dovetailed for the sliding lid. You would have to fill that space somehow or replace the butt plate.

dave

 

[longcruise]

You would have to fill that space somehow or replace the butt plate.

A patch box that abuts the butt plate with a door that fills that cutout?? Just thinking out loud here and wondering what you think based on your experience and knowledge.

 

[James Kibler]

I recently assembled a Colonial, and had to fo the same thing.

Take Care Stay Safe

Do not do this!!! Make sure the box stops at the front of the inlet and file / sand the END of the box lid flush with the buttplate. Trying to do this the other way won't work since the spring won't fit properly.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

My mistake was not fitting the lid to the rifle with butt plate installed before doing the brass plate. One would think with what I do for a living I would know better. Such was not the case.

Rather than pay for another. I have everything I need to make them. Why pay for the chance to mess up another when I can make and mess up dozens upon dozens for the cost of my time and some electricity.

 

[EC121]

If you look at the latch end of the spring, you will see that there is a little shelf where the machining didn't cut the metal down to match the rest of the latching surface. That little bit of extra metal stops the latch from snugly catching the edge of the buttplate. File that little shelf off and bend(it is soft enough to bend) the spring out a little, and you will get a nice sharp snap when the lid is slid home. No wood or buttplate metal needs to be removed.

 

[Gum Slough Muzzleloader]

Do not do this!!! Make sure the box stops at the front of the inlet and file / sand the END of the box lid flush with the buttplate. Trying to do this the other way won't work since the spring won't fit properly.

Thank you, Jim.

Guys ya see what Mr. Kibler had to say about this situation.

"Do not do this!!!"

I don't want to pass on bad information.
I do apologize. I felt I covered all bases.
I will definitely look things over on my next build.

Take Care Stay Safe
Fred

 

[tunadawg]

Has anyone tried to install a brass patch box on the Woodsrunner ?

Yes.

 

[Psycho Mike]

I got my first attempt at this done....not perfect, but far, far better than someone who has done very little woodworking and even less brass working should have hoped for.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

Finally got enough other projects done to mess with one that was irksome but functional. Started making my own today. Turns out Ash is difficult work with hand tools due to the grain and how it behaves along the grain. Got it fit up nice, just need to lose some more meat and shape then decide if I want to attempt that brass plate again.