Pattern 1776 Rifle

[springfield art]

Lots of knowledge on this site about even rare "niche" types of guns; a real scholarly resource!

 

[dave_person]

Lots of knowledge on this site about even rare "niche" types of guns; a real scholarly resource!

Hi SA,
You are right but very few seem to be reading the OP's original post. He is not asking about the British pattern 1776 muzzleloading rifle. He is asking about the German made rifles by Huhnstock that were purchased before the pattern 1776 was made and which had the ramrod swivel mechanism copied by the British for their 1776 rifle. It might help if folks actually read the OP's posts.

dave

 

[Rudyard]

Hi SA,
You are right but very few seem to be reading the OP's original post. He is not asking about the British pattern 1776 muzzleloading rifle. He is asking about the German made rifles by Huhnstock that were purchased before the pattern 1776 was made and which had the ramrod swivel mechanism copied by the British for their 1776 rifle. It might help if folks actually read the OP's posts.

dave

Dear Dave you are quite correct it seems I'me the principal culprit as the Hunstock or an example is not one I knew until these few post .& the Prince Eugenes ones are very late 18th c .Well pobodies nerfect .I missed the point & you are quite right .
Regards Rudyard

 

[FlinterNick]

Hi SA,
You are right but very few seem to be reading the OP's original post. He is not asking about the British pattern 1776 muzzleloading rifle. He is asking about the German made rifles by Huhnstock that were purchased before the pattern 1776 was made and which had the ramrod swivel mechanism copied by the British for their 1776 rifle. It might help if folks actually read the OP's posts.

dave

Dave did these German rifles use the same thimble system as the 1776 rifle, with the long rammer spring that is riveted to the underside ?

 

[dave_person]

Hi Nick,
I do not think so but I really don't know.

dave

 

[FlinterNick]

Hi Nick,
I do not think so but I really don't know.

dave

The rammer spring is an interesting design, I’m trying finder where it was used on other guns.. the only one I can think if is a 1763 charleville

 

[Rudyard]

Hi Nick,
I do not think so but I really don't know.

dave

'Mattox forge' .post number 18 shews very good pics of the Hunstock rifle inc its spring between the fore ward pipes ('thimble's belong in a sowing basket !) His post speaks volumes tool box & all, All Ide need put it that way pity about the 7 shot beetles now since no one has the mounts on offer you make wooden patterns or modify any that will fettle to make the right size & sort take them to a brass founder who runs YELLOW brass (Few do due to the fumes giving them the' Ague' ) if there good Ide think TRS might run you them so they have patterns ? .
.One in 27" ! well I made a rifle that had one in 16" it was free so I used it dosnt seem so bad ,the projectile would be so dizzy it wouldn't know where it was !. but the' English lock' carbine I made .(copy of an original) killed goats and seems to shoot straight even if is was only an awkward cheek stock . Ime tempted to make the patterns & send them TRS so they send me the castings & Ide knock one up.

Pretty thing choose what it was . Some how I cant see all these raretiys getting sent from museums for TRS to copy ?. I tried to send a Scots longarm to the RA free but the minions wanted umpteen paperwork & huge costs.so that simple plan died the death its coming to something where 'rule by accountancy 'over rides the Curators desire
. Regards Rudyard

 

[FlinterNick]

Hi Nick,
I do not think so but I really don't know.

dave

The rammer spring is an interesting design, I’m trying finder where it was used on other guns.. the only one I can think if is a 1763 charleville

 

[Rudyard]

There are two of the August Huhnstock made guns still extant. The one shown in De Witt Bailey's book on British Military Flintlock Rifles numbered 184 was sold by Morphy's in 2020.
https://auctions.morphyauctions.com...ANOVERIAN_PATTERN_1776_FLINTLO-LOT483833.aspxThere are some good photos on there that, combined with the measurements in Bailey's book, should allow a builder to build a suitable replica.
The rifling is very fast 1:27 on this example. It is also interesting that the barrel is pinned in place, and the pan is bridleless, the only real innovation is the rammer retainer system, which was removed on this example at some point, otherwise, it is a pretty plain German military type Jager rifle. The Baker rifle is closer in butt design to this rifle than it is to the more numerous Birmingham made 1776 rifles.

Mike

Dear Mike Looking over these post Double' like 'with gold trimmings as your post is the most useful & a key to the whole affair . If you (anyone ) couldnt made a rifle from the pics you (Well any person ) couldn't make a rifle anyway .Certainly not that rifle .I made the First' Tower rifle 'as we called it nobody knew what they where .Bob Cheel I put onto De Witt Bailey & Kit Ravenshear .Kit knew of some in various states Non had the swivel rod I made one, sold it to a NY patron it wasn.t the right lock or rod link that came later .Via Mr Whittickers perfect example if it reached TRS it must have been via De Witt prior to the RA aquiring it ( R A viz. Royal Armouries Leeds UK ) Re bridle less steel my c 1799 Prince Eugenes German rifle has non .and dosn't seem to much matter. Most European rifles lack them anyway . All interesting stuff .
Regards Rudyard