peculiar

I was just looking at the Oct survey results and noticed that there are 322 voters that have thus partisipated and only 198 marked "sport" :hmm: :hmm: Seems rather peculiar

Cody

 

[Stumpkiller]

The rest must have had hanging chads and been disqualified.

I selected "sport." I can get meat easier at the market, I never get what most would consider a tropy, I get outside lots without killing anything but paper, clumps of dirt or stumps; so that either leaves "sport" or "psychotic need to kill" - which wasn't a choice.

But, if deer were inedible I wouldn't shoot them. I guess it is like so many things - not easily distilled into short answers.

Now, did someone mention a draft of Old Peculiar?

 

[tg]

I suspect that honesty may give way to the fear of being non PC (politicaly correct) by confessing to consider hunting as a sport??????

 

welll mmm i didnt chose sport , i dont look at hunting as a sport and i have done enough killing to see nothing sporting about it . that being said I do find sport in the stalk and also in the planing and getting ready for the 2 weeks a year i get to go out .
I went out with a new friend today and his son got his first deer a nice doe, he made a great shot , one he should have been proud of at 12 . yet when i ask how he felt he said he didnt feel any diffrent and that it was no big deal .
I thought about this the rest of the day and it really bothered me .
maybe the problem is that it has become a sport ,,, i dont know im still thinking on it.

 

[Ohio Joe]

I selected "meat"... Not that I don't consider hunting a sport, I do. I just consider meat more important then antlers when I hunt. If that trophy buck comes along, sure I'll try for him. Otherwise you probably won't see me setting around a campfire knawing on an antler...

 

Otherwise you probably won't see me setting around a campfire knawing on an antler...
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LMAO there you go , track soup anyone LOL :redthumb:

 

I choose tha MEAT catagory 'cause I strive to be "historicaly correct" and I have no more of a desire to try'n impress other folks with sets of big antlers then our forefathers did.

IMHO "sport" is more of a modern concept and closer related to "cartridge" guns. ::

YMHS
rollingb

 

[Huntinfool]

I suspect that honesty may give way to the fear of being non PC (politicaly correct) by confessing to consider hunting as a sport??????

Sad but true tg we have given in too much to the naysayers!

I don't remember what I put in that slot but I know my feelings on the subject run deeper than could be put into one choice. I'm a meat hunter that would shoot any big buck I could (Need knife handles). To my way of thinking hunting is a way of life not just a sport, it rates highly as a sport so to speak but to me it's more than just a sport. Gee I almost sound like Kerry. NOT!

I've called grown men liars to their faces before because they stood there and told me if a spike and a twelve point stepped out together they would shoot the spike. Now gentlemen I find that hard to believe. :what: You can pop a little buck or a doe anytime but rare does the huge buck give you the chance to put him on your wall.

If they would shoot the little feller over a huge mature deer I'd have to question their sanity. :youcrazy:

 

[Maynerd62411]

I chose meat because I consume what I shoot. If I were to write in a catagory, it would be "opprotunist" . If I have an opprotunity to take a big buck, of course I will. I have a grinder and like deer burger rather well. I prefer a doe or young buck for steaks and roast. But I wouldn't pass on a biggin'.

 

[tg]

Hmmmmmm.. I lost this thread for a moment, I thought it delt with the hunting survey, of which 60% use modern and historical gear mixed, 26% use historical only. 42% cappers/41% flinters, 61% RB and several posters mentioned the historical aspect of hunting... yet the thread got moved because it was not about traditional hunting, but we can talk anout maxiballs and all sorts of modern stuff on the "traditional" forum ......by thunder THAT is peculiar....is Kerry out there somewhere making these calls?????????

 

[Keith]

that being said I do find sport in the stalk and also in the planing and getting ready for the 2 weeks a year i get to go out .

I am not really arguing, just playing devil's advocate, it helps me solidify my own views. You seem not to gain pleasure from the act of killing, neither do I. Yet you enjoy the rest of the hunt. Isn't that still enjoying hunting for sport. I know I like seeing animals and to see how close I can get to them. When I am not hunting it is fun, but without the adrenaline rush of hunting. (The knowledge that I have the power of life or death when hunting?)

maybe the problem is that it has become a sport ,,, i dont know im still thinking on it.

I see that as a problem too. That and the competiveness. People who are always after the biggest rack or that view the day as a failure if they didn't kill something. I think it is not that hunting is a sport, but it is viewed, by many, as a game . A game to me is an activity to pass time, there is no risk and somebody keeps score. Golf is a game. Rock climbing is a sport, no scorekeeping, dangerous. Do I make any sense there?

 

ya keith you do .
i would first like to say i would be the first to dump a big buck as will if he was just standing there but if I came across a good heavy spike first mmmmmmm hes in my pot .

john kerry LMAO lets not go there , he would probably butt shoot the gopher next to the bucks but not before asking everyones oppenion pinching hanoi janes !@# and then claim to be a friend of the gophers and ask their vote.
IF he even remembered to bring shells for his 0.6,,,, no wait 3030 ,, no wait 7mmm ahhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm well at leats he is consistant lol

to me a sport is something we compete in , like NASCAR, Football, base ball, Base PRo tours. while some of these are games as well.
Rock climbing isnt don for the sport, its about the challange and the skill it takes . if it was a sport you wouldnt see them guys climbing everest but insted running up pikes peak to see who could get to the top firts, sport and enjoyment are not i believe the same thing

 

[Deadeye]

I didn't see anything in that survey that adequately described why I hunt and I can't describe it. Your either a hunter and you know or you don't. I don't think of hunting as a sport or myself as a sportsman, whatever that is. Maybe I'm a throwback to earlier times. Maybe because my Dad started me hunting as soon as I could walk. I could go about a mile from my house and shoot a buck but no, I have to go a long way and hike back into places where no one else wants to go and too steep for any 4 wheeler to get there. Then it's just me and the deer and yes I'm looking for the biggest buck I can find. I want to pack it out myself, butcher it myself. That's all part of it for me. At 73 yrs.
it's getting harder every yr. but that's the only way I can do it. Sound stupid, well, may be.

 

It would appear that I screwed up the survey. It sounds like everyone else made one choice that was closest to their situation. I didn't realize that we were limited to one choice. I hunt bears for meat, deer for trophy, all hunting is sport (not in a competition sence) and I like to get out, therefore I checked all of the boxes :shake:. That's why I found the low "sport" vote "peculiar". I figured everyone (almost) should have checked "sport" as well as any others that apply. Anyway, it's good to see different interpretations of the term "sport" when it is applied to hunting.

Cody

 

[Keith]

to me a sport is something we compete in , like NASCAR, Football, base ball, Base PRo tours. while some of these are games as well.

I think we both argree that the competitiveness of some people hurts hunting. Is that a good way to say it? Not sure.
I like the way you define sport I have tried to distinguish between sport and being a sportsman and games. Maybe, I should try to define sport just like games.
As far as shooting a spike or a twelve point? The big guy is getting shot at. I won't say I'll hit him . Hard to aim while shaking don't you know. I like to let small bucks go. Where I am too many of the young ones get shot as soon as they have a set of antlers. I like to see some more get to be bigger. Deer my way get big, if they get half a chance.

 

See and there in lies a good point. Many game commissions to include the Idaho fish and game have went to a predominant buck only season. They state this is for sound management. No rancher with any mind would breed his prize heffers with a 1 or 2 year old bull. What however IMO it dose is put to much pressure only on the buck population for nothing more then money, the money brought in for trophy hunts and the high cost of out of state tags.

We used to see nice, and when I say nice I mean nice 28 inch or better 4, 6 points. 8 or 12-point eastern count. They were common. A trophy was 30 inch or better, now your lucky to see a fork or a small 4x4, 14 inches in every 20 to 40 does.

I stopped at a friend

 

I just can't see hunting not being for sport. like stumpkiller says, if your truely hunting just for meat, you would do it in a supermarket. Captchee's comment that "sport" hunting implies that you are competeing like in NASCAR, football and other "games" got me thinking. Hunting IS a game. however, we are "competeing" with the animal, not other hunters. THAT'S why we do it. THAT'S why it's such a rush. THAT'S why we use muzzleloaders. We are competeing with the animal in HIS element. THAT'S the challenge. If it wasn't for the challenge in the competition with the animal making it a "sport", we would all just shop at the supermarket. I think the differing of opinion here is mere semantics. We all seem to feel the same way, just struggle with the wording to describe it without leaving room for misinterpretation. IMHO
Thoughts???

Cody

 

There is the sport , the sport of getting a bigger buck then the next guy , getting your name in a book , The competition , its not about need anymore its about want . The want for a big rack , a picture , to be looked up to . The meat and the justified use of the life is fast falling to the side of the road for nothing more then horns .

Captchee,.... Thet's kind'a how I see it too, only you said it better'n I ever could!! Thanks!!

YMHS
rollingb

 

Chaptchee, You kinda lost me in that post about the predominently buck tags being for trophy hunters and for the state to make money????. I am going to comment but if I missunderstood your post, I apologize. Trophy hunters DO NOT shoot fork horn bucks, meat hunters do. If an area is known for small bucks and poor genetics due to over hunting of the buck population, trophy hunters will not buy tags and hunt there, meat hunters do. The "management" part of buck only seasons is that every buck taken takes one deer out of the eco system, every doe taken out, takes out two (the doe and the fawn she is carrying). For this reason, Doe seasons are for accelerated population control.

Cody

 

Hunting IS a game. however, we are "competeing" with the animal, not other hunters.

Then along came the Longhunter Record Book and guys like Jim Shockey,.... both of which take sumpthin away from "make'n meat" in a traditional manner.

I find it very difficult to explain 'zackly how I veiw "sport hunt'n", I've had the pleasure of hunt'n big game in some'a tha best big-game country in the US (Wyoming/Alaska) for'a great many years. I've also seen hunt'n become even more of a "money-game" (big antlers = big dollars) the cost of Shockey's sheep grand slam (alone) reached $30,000.00+ BEFORE it was finally accomplished. The pitcher this paints for the anti-hunters ain't a purty one and fuels ther arguement thet we don't really "NEED" to hunt for food anymore but we do it in the name of "sport".

The "tools" used by both of'em,.... the "anti's" and "Jim Shockey" disgust me,.... and both of'em do it fer MONEY, and RECONGNITION!!!!

OK!!.... I'm done rant'n now!! :shocking: :m2c: