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[Ohio Joe]

rollingb,

I do agree with you. I should have clarified myself better when I said, "I selected meat... Not that I don't consider hunting a sport, I do. I just consider meat more important then antlers."

The part I consider "sporting" is the fair chase while on the hunt, and to continue testing my skills up to the point of the shot. I then become a hunter of meat for my family.

As far as what buck I would take if a spike was runnin' with a trophy buck and I had a choice? I would take the trophy buck. Simply put, he deserves me. He has earned the right to be taken by me. He has earned the right to a quick death.

He does not deserve to be shot in the midsection so as not to risk hitting his trophy rack. Shot placement's I see done constantly on the Outdoor Channel. :curse: He has earned a quick death shot. That's why he deserves me. I think all of us who hunt ought to feel that way about ourselves.

 

[Slowpoke]

Bravo Ohio !!!!

I hunt for meat and to enjoy outdoors. The stuff I see on the outdoor networks is vulgar. I enjoy seeing the marketing on these show. If you want to "be the dominant predator" use Scentlock. Big, strong, movie star looking guy shooting their product and thin nerdy guys shooting the other brand. Cheap, plastic and on sale at Wal-mart. It goes on and on to feed the male ego and make that guy on the couch feel better about himself.

Enjoy your sport hunting fellas. And, you go ahead and be disappointed when that 10pt you shot has a broken G4. I'll say a little prayer and be thankful for a fat doe that you only shoot "to thin out of the herd".

SP

 

[Keith]

Buck only hunts were started to allow hunting, yet preserve does to allow the herd to increase. This goes back to the 50'-60's when deer were uncommon in lots of places. It isn't abad policy when the conditions are right. Changes in regs that would be healthier for the herd are often opposed most forcefully by hunters.

I believe what is happening in Idaho is the same as alot of places. No trophy hunters don't shoot four pointers. They also don't buy thousands of licenses. Most people are not true trophy hunters looking for a deer to make book. But, the first legal deer, especially a buck, is getting shot at. (Notice I didn't say shot). The game people need to sell lots of licenses for their funding, and most guys want to kill something with antlers, small or not.

Some places are starting to do quality management. The manage the herd, or at least try, so the buck doe ratio is healthier, 10-20 does to one whitetail buck is not natural or healthy. The idea is aldo to let more bucks get past their first season as a legal buck.

As far as meat hunting goes. Unless you are so destitute you can not afford to go the store and purchase meat you aren't a true meat hunter. :imo: That does not mean I demean in anyway someone who hunts looking for meat above all else. I certainly don't want to suggest that anyone kill something for the hell of it or the rack or whatever, and not make use of the meat to the best of their ability.

 

[roundball]

Reasons change over a lifetime as individual wants and needs change...I did not chose "meat" but chose "sport" & "trophy" and I'll explain because it's simple, not because it requires defending.

I didn't choose "meat" because I don't eat venison at all...didn't like it back in the 60's and don't like it today...buy all my meat at the grocery store...BUT...I do give away every deer I take to needy families out in the country where I hunt, and they appreciate getting them as they're a big savings to their grocery bill...but I don't hunt for meat just to give meat to needy families.

And in North Carolina where I live/hunt, my license comes with six deer tags/year...4 bucks + 2 does and I hunt hard to fill them...BUT...even if I did like venison, my Wife and I alone couldn't possibly eat 6 deer every year anyway, so most of it would have to be given away regardless, so again, I don't hunt for meat.

SPORT
The hertiage of hunting in my family generations got me started young and I learned to enjoy it decades ago...the whole undertaking involves all the interesting and rewarding elements of hunting...from learning to shoot, learning the quarry, sign, scouting, all the time out in the woods, mastering the knowledge and skills to cleanly take game, etc...that's what I mean by "sport"...could call it "challenge", "hobby", "pastime", etc.

TROPHY
I checked "trophy" not as a trophy in the record book sense but in the context that the older, wiser, often larger racked bucks are more difficult to scout, locate, and take, hence, a "trophy". They present a greater challenge, require greater effort to master, and there's a greater sense of self-satisfaction when I locate, hunt, and take a larger racked buck, no question about it.

So by checking trophy I meant holding out for more of a trophy type deer instead of taking the first spike that steps out from behind a tree...(indeed, many states have now implemented practices like that which are now mandatory)...when I started deer hunting I would shoot a spike because "it was a buck" and I had buck tags...today I don't...I save my tags in hopes of finding older wiser bucks with better, mature racks...ie: a "trophy" to ME...not some "Boone & Crockett" record book...would rather end the season with a couple buck tags left unfilled than to have just filled them all with spikes for the sake of filling them.

:results:

 

Chaptchee, You kinda lost me in that post about the predominently buck tags being for trophy hunters and for the state to make money????. I am going to comment but if I missunderstood your post, I apologize. Trophy hunters DO NOT shoot fork horn bucks, meat hunters do. If an area is known for small bucks and poor genetics due to over hunting of the buck population, trophy hunters will not buy tags and hunt there, meat hunters do. The "management" part of buck only seasons is that every buck taken takes one deer out of the eco system, every doe taken out, takes out two (the doe and the fawn she is carrying). For this reason, Doe seasons are for accelerated population control.

Sorry Cody I know my spelling and sentence structure have a lot to be desired.

To your point
The land will only support a given population. If we break this down to say one acre and say that one acre will support 5 doe's and two bucks

 

Yore state has more liberal tag allotments then some of us enjoy.
When I was a kid, we ate either antelope, elk, deer, or jackrabbit fer a couple'a months 'cause we was "snowed in" wher we lived in the "sticks". Mom had chickens so we had lots'a eggs but they got tiresome real quick. Go'n to the grocery store warn't an option like it would be today.
Grow'n up like I did, and altho mom was a good cook we always hunt'd fer a "dry doe" or a young buck for the best eat'n. "Meat tenderizer" was what came in after our baby-teeth fell out. Anyways with an upbring'n like I had, I still prefer "wild meat" to the fat domesticated type sold in stores.

I'll remain a "meat hunter" fer tha rest of my days,.... and it's all my parents fault! ::

YMHS
rollingb

 

Captchee,.... Dang yore fast with yore type'n, you put up thet big ol'post while I was peck'n out my liddle one.

Once agin you have said "it" better'n I did!! :thumbsup:

YMHS
rollingb