Pedersoli Blue Ridge rifle

[RussB]

Hey Homeboy...You thinking maybe we should cut him some slack?

Well, Mmmmm :hmm: Maybe.

But just this once. I mean 4 years is a very long[url] time.....in[/url] the life span of a Honey Bee :crackup:


Okay, I don't want my man to get to upset. He just may whack off my end of the forum.. :crackup: :crackup:

Russ

 

[tg]

as you may have surmised by now the Blue Ridhe/Hatfield is post 1800 by quite a bit, TVM has very generic guns as far as PC goes it looks like they change the furniture on a Lancaster and it becomes a Virginia.... Early Rustic Arms has been getting some good press for having reasonably authentic, well made guns at a good price. There is very little production level or even semi custom suppliers that really follow the PC path very closely, you must do the research, most builders/suppliers are there for selling guns not teaching accurate gun history.

 

[RussB]

I think that was well said, and very accurate tg.

Authenticity has gotten to the point, for those who really know their guns, where it is authentic only to a firearm that was never actually PC, perhaps only similar, but was a good seller, and a whole lot were made. It became accepted.

I'm not so sure all that is very important to those who build guns just to sell. Selling the gun is what's important.
Having a gun that is both functional, and affordable is still very important to those buying a gun, possibly more so than being absolutely PC....if it is popular, and a good seller, it can easily pose as something it is not.
A good example may be the Lyman GPR...it has gained that "acceptance" by many.

Russ

 

[CrackStock]

Russ,

I agree that the GPR is not correct in some areas, but it is not nearly as ridiculous as most of the "Hawken" rifles that are offered on the mass market. I routinely send people for the GPR as an entry gun if they are only getting their feet wet. Cheap, is not too far from a plains rifle, accurate and readily available. I look upon it as setting the hook.

The Hatfield does not appear to resemble any of the guns that I have seen from the South. I particularly enjoy these originals. I suggest Jerry Noble's books on them. The Hatfield almost hooked me years ago when I did not know better, but I discovered the Southern Mountain and Tennessee styles and have not looked back.

YMHS,
CrackStock

 

[RussB]

Russ,
I agree that the GPR is not correct in some areas, but it is not nearly as ridiculous as most of the "Hawken" rifles that are offered on the mass market. I routinely send people for the GPR as an entry gun if they are only getting their feet wet. Cheap, is not too far from a plains rifle, accurate and readily available. I look upon it as setting the hook.........snip............................
YMHS,
CrackStock

You bet Crackstock!.....I like the GPR. I like the GPR a lot. And even though it is not absolutely "correct", it still represents a pretty good buy for the dollar, and it is "accepted"....it has become "accepted" as what a Plains Rifle might have looked like.

Another "item" of acceptance is Kleenex; When most folks think of facial tissue, they think of "Kleenex". As a matter of fact, Kleenex has become so synonymous with facial tissue, it is "accepted" as having it's own meaning.
However, it is in reality a "Brand Name".

Do you go to the store to buy Kleenex? or Facial Tissue?

Another "Item" might be the Hawken...Of course it was first made by Sam and Jake whose last name was Hawken. Now it is accepted as a style, a lot of different styles....none of which are real close to being PC, but they are "accepted" as being what a Hawken may have looked like........

If it's accepted, it will sell, and more will be made.

Russ

 

Russ
Bottom line if this:

It is your hard earned money spent on the gun.. and if make you satisfied then that is ALL that matters.
Glad you like it and enjoy your gun. Hope ya have many tales to tell us about you have fun with it
Woody

 

[eat moose meat]

Feb 1998 issue of Muzzle Blasts has an article on the new Hatfield rifle. Ted Hatfield stated that it was a close copy of rifles built by his great,great grandad Moses Hatfield. Same Hatfields from the feud. It does look like a blue ridge rifle. It says Missouri river rifle works bought them out. They probably sold the tooling to Pedersoli. I started with a .50 Blue ridge rifle. First percussion then I converted it to flint. Shot good killed a 300 pound black bear with it. Sold it when I bought my first custom gun.When I lived in pennsylvania for a while.

 

In 1972, I bought my first ML rifle, sight unseen, not even a picture. I read an add by TC about their Hawken, stating that even "Old Sam" would be proud to own. The picture was small and blurry, not definitive at all.
: When I opened the box, after waiting 2 months for it, I almost fell into depression. I was so disappointed I was speachless. What was most distrubing, was the advertisement stating that even Sam Hawken would be proud of it, yet what lay in the box was a shallow, button rifled, blued barreled, coil spring gun that was wrong from the butt to the muzzle and made from a piece of wood that was too small to make a properly proportioned Hawken rifle stock. Then the Italians got on the lying wagon with similar guns, copied pretty much from the TC except for the breech and patch box. Where was any truth in advertising? It was like caling a Kia a Cadilac because it had 4 tires.
: 'nuff said about that - probably too much. Sorry if this hurts feelings.
: The first "close" Hawken on the market in my opinion was made by Green River Rifle Works, both 1/2 stock and full stock. The Browning caplock wasn't too bad, except for the breech plug and now, neither is the GPR as a plains rifle. Thankfully, they didn't call it a Hawken, "that Sam would be proud to own".
: Before next hunting season, I plan on purchasing the Lyman GPR flint kit in .54. I'll replace the lock with the L&R fint that Track sells, or maybe just a new cock that fits, & remove the strange hump at the tang and re-work the comb a bit. As well, there is enough room to inlet a 1" barrel - perhaps at a later date - maybe, or simply sand the forewood to properly meet the barrel, instead of having flats there as on a modern bolt-action rifle ML or ctg.

 

[eat moose meat]

I was born in 1972. :crackup:

 

[Leatherbark]

I"ve had one for 3 years almost and am satisfied with it........Mine is in .50 caliber and the only gripe I have is the patent breech is small and 2f will bridge sometimes SO I use 3fg exclusivly and if I do my part I can keep 3 shots under 3 inches at 100 yards..........I opened up my touch hole to around .070.............It is a replica of a Hatfield rifle.One of Ted Hatfield's ancestors I suppose.............After Ted finished making them I believe Missouri River Rifle Works made them and now Pedersoli............Yours truly.........Bob Hatfield(no relation to Ted ,but related to Anderson)

 

[tg]

I have often read the Ted fashioned his guns after a gun made by one of his long departed kinfolk...has anyone ever seen or heard of a pic of the gun he used as a pattern?

 

[wilded]

I was told it was a copy of guns like his grandfather made.

 

[tg]

I was just wondering if said original was ever published or if Ted was the only one who ever saw it?