Pedersoli Enfield

[TFoley]

Guerilla?

 

[bigted]

Guerilla?

Gorilla warfare.

Hit n run from cover... Provide warfare from hiding... Surprise attack... Exercise sudden violence without providing possible attack from the enemy...

 

[TFoley]

'kay. You spell it your way, and I'll spell it the dictionary way.

 

[bigted]

I see. Well did not know there was two different ways to spell gorrilla/guerilla. Thanks for the spelling lesson.

 

[Eras Gone]

BrittSmoothy, I saw racks upon racks of those smoothbore P53 Parker Hales on the HMS Warrior in Porstmouth last year. Someone on another forum was showing off their "shotgun" Zouave recently. I assume someone brought it home from the UK.

 

[smoothshooter]

bigted. You say that the stock gives you an unpleasant blow. I wonder if you might want to review how you hold it? This same stock (i.e. the original) was used by literally millions of users over generations as made and as a Snider breech loader. Even still being used in Yemen in WW1 and manufactured in France, Belgium, Afghanistan (arsenal not 'khyber') and Nepal and sundry other copies, all with no change other than in the length of pull. I have used this stock often with full service charges with no issues. We are all built differently but it worked with burly Canadians and tiny Gurkhas and all shapes in between. (Apologies to tiny Canadians and large Gurkhas).

BTW are you familiar with the old 'Incredible String Band' song 'Big Ted'?

Why would the Canadians and Gurkas need an apolology?

 

[RAEDWALD]

Why would the Canadians and Gurkhas need an apology?

Because many Canadians are of a lesser stature and some Gurkhas are not all that tiny at all but using those examples gave a picture to the span of human sizes. It was just a way of indicating that I was using stereotypes and not implying all Canadians or Gurkhas match that pattern. Just as few French commonly eat frogs legs and not all Americans are loud and brash. Indeed some are quite fit to invite into even quite respectable company.......

 

[mrstang01]

I see. Well did not know there was two different ways to spell gorrilla/guerilla. Thanks for the spelling lesson.

Different words with different meanings. One is a large hairy primate (not Bigfoot). T'other is war fighter, usually for his country.

 

[RAEDWALD]

Guerilla. Spanish for 'little war' from the French Petite Guerre. Also known as Partizan or Partisan warfare from 17th century Italian Partigiano.
(Note to self. Disengage lecture mode.)

 

[Stantheman86]

My P-H 1861 Musketoon loves .575 old style Lyman Minies, push thru sized to .575.

The short sight radius makes them hard to shoot accurately, I pay my man Brett to make me Pritchett Cartridges once in a while but it's far cheaper to just roll up 1861 pattern cartridges with .575 Minies.

I don't bother with round balls in my P-H, I've tried them and .570 with a .05 patch shoots well and loads easy but these are bullet rifles.

 

[Rat]

Brit ... your PH ... did it come factory smoothy? Also, is it 58 smoothbore?

I have an old CVA Zouave that shoots terrible and have contemplated having it bored 20 gauge 62 cal smooth.

I plan to have one of my Replica Remington Contract rifles bored to .62, but rifled for round ball. In fact, going to see about that pretty soon.

 

[Rat]

They say that one man's Guerilla is just another man's monkey. Or was that terrorists and freedom fighters?

 

[bigted]

Well I did find that simply adding crisco or softer BP lube into tha bullet base, causes me to actually hit the same item twice. ... or three times ... four if I continue doing my part. This with Lee .578 minie's. Also the .578 Lyman minie's. Color my a happy camper ... but a bit puzzled. How come lube in the base helps so?

I hope I can duplicate this good luck system. REALLY LIKE THIS PED ENFIELD.

I am in the middle of shortening my CVA Zouave monster. 24 inch barrel and carving the beech or whatever wood it is, so it still has the two barrel bands.

 

[Tobee]

What changed for me was to make both the front and rear driving bands of the minie to be a drag fit going down the bore. The only stock minie I had to be able to expand the front driving band was the little lyman wadcutter minie. Expanding only the base didn't help. Tedious work though; expanding front and rear and then running through a sizer to .582; the size my rifle needed. Not all minies have cavities deep enough to expand the front band.

I'll go out on a limb here. I really think a sized minie, same diameter front and rear band, drag fit to your bore, will give you good accuracy. Rifles with bores close to as dropped minies don't need this treatment, imho. The front driving band is already close to bore diameter. I'm guessing your bore is .580-ish.

I got a RCBS oversize .584 hodgon style mold the other day. Was backordered 2 months. Think thats the real answer; proper mold. Will cast some up; see if the groups get better.

 

[Tobee]

bigted, sorry to come across so strong. I read my post and it sounds like a rant. Hope you try it though. See what happens.

 

[Stantheman86]

I'm 6'4 220, use the British stance with all my Enfields (including .303's) , no problems.

However my right cheek is still sore from Friday , putting 40 rounds through my Parker Hale Volunteer rifle from the bench.

 

[bigted]

No ... didn't think a thing wrong with your post. I am just gathering enough info from folks to find the secret of accuracy with this Ped Enfield. I have driven in some .580 minie balls purchased from TOTW. I only had a few left and they did not show me much.

Did not get positive results till I filled the cavity with crisco and lubed the grooves with SPG lube. These shot into a nice tight ragged hole at 35 yards.

As for the shooting position to keep from getting bashed ... fixed her to fit my shooting style. Cut down the comb so I can see the sights, then installed a leather lace up butt pad to add a inch to the length of pull. Now she shoots and fits me as good or better then my 1884 unmentionable door Springfield.

I just wish I knew the why of what happens when the hollow base is filled with lube. I try to wrap my head around the hydraulic aspect ... however thete is nothing to hold and seal the hollow base containing the soft lube from simply blowing out upon powder pressure.

 

[bigted]

.578 seems to be the size, and as long as the hollow base is full. Both the Lyman and the Lee full minie's seem to be the workers. Just hope I can duplicate my success.

 

[Stantheman86]

I'm asking a realistic question here and not trying to be sarcastic , but many people report about "accuracy" of rifles with groups shot at 50 yards, etc . I'm guessing they don't have access to a longer range?

It seems to me any accuracy below 100 yards or even 200 is kind of academic , tight groups fired from a target rifle at 60 yards is like taking a GTO up to 55 mph and then just going home

I shot a crap target at 200 with my Volunteer rifle but now I know I can at least hit a target at a realistic target distance with it.

 

[TFoley]

Here in UK, and in the USA, as David Minshall would advise, we shoot the .577/.58cal P53, two and three-band, out to 600 yards with issue sights. I've shot one out to 800 yards with great lack of success. Notwithstanding that, I wouldn't advise anybody to stand in front of the target, just in case I got lucky, and they didn't.