Pedersoli Rocky mountain Rifle

[thomas]

Given the choice between a Lyman Great Plains Rifle & a Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Rifle which would you choose & why? Money not the deciding factor.

 

[NorthFork]

Having owned 2 Lyman's, a GPR and a Trade rifle, I would not own a Lyman again. I recently bought my first Pedersoli. While not perfect, it is manufactured to a much higher standard than either of my two Investarm (Lyman) rifles. Im happy with it. I no longer own the GPR and will likely be dumping the Trade rifle. So I'd say buy the Pedersoli.

 

[Boomerang]

I own both. The Pedersoli definitely has a better fit and finish. The Lyman is still a good accurate rifle that can be made better in the finish department with a little elbow grease. Accuracy shouldn't be a problem with either one. If money is no issue I guess it's up to you. :thumbsup:

 

[Grimord]

I have a Lyman Great Plains rifle in 50 caliber. It was my first flint lock. I also have a Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken in 54 caliber. The fit and finish on the Pedersoli is far above that of the best Lyman I have seen. You pay for that difference, but I think it is worth it. If you are a round ball shooter, Lyman Great Plains rifles have slow twist barrels that are conducive to better accuracy with a round ball. The Pedersoli RMH in 54 also has a slow twist, but most of their other offerings have the very common 1:48 twist which works for both conicals and round balls.

 

[Jaegermeister]

Read this thread, “My Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Rifle.” It might offer some insights and provide some good reading. I don’t know how to add a direct link to it.

 

[Zonie]

Here's a link to "My Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Rifle" for those who can't find it.
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/308106/post/1698684/fromsearch/1/

 

[Grenadier1758]

Given the choice between a Lyman Great Plains Rifle & a Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Rifle which would you choose & why? Money not the deciding factor.

If I wanted a Hawken rifle and money was not the deciding factor, I'd be talking to Bob Browner. He was the maker that Pierangelo Pedersoli admired the quality of Bob's rifles and admitted that his factory could not make a rifle of that quality at the price point that he needs to meed to sell rifles in quantity.

 

[burlesontom]

The Pedersoli is a nice rifle and I have given thought to getting one but it won't do anything my .50 caliber GP rifle won't do. I have head my GP rifle since the mid 1990s and only paid $250 for it from Natchez shooters supply.

Now I guess that same rifle cost around $600. About half of the cost of the Pedersoli and a pound or two lighter in weight. You said money is no matter but still $600 is a big savings to go toward supplies.

If I were going to spend $1200 on a new rifle I would be more inclined to get a TVM Leman rifle. I am sort of "Hawkened" out at this point. And the Leman rifles were more used than the Hawkens. They just don't have the hype and mystique of the Hawken guns. But thats just me. :hmm:

 

[buford87]

I have often said "never buy shoes or a shotgun without trying them on first." I feel like this applies in your case. Which rifle fits you better? The lyman GPR doesn't fit everyone's body type. I am not familiar with that model of Pedersoli but I am guessing some people it fits and some it doesn't................watch yer top knot..............

 

[F.G. Ford]

Hi,
I have had several Lyman Great Plains rifles through my many years of shooting and collecting, and can say in general they are about the best buy you can get.
Today, you cannot even buy the parts to build a like rifle.
As far a good shooter, there are none better.
They have won way too many prizes in completion.
If you want a true custom gun, buy a kit and do it yourself.
The Pedersoli is a beautiful rifle and a prize winning champion as well.
The only distracting feature on both rifles is the horrible stamped disclaimers for safety and legal responsibilities.
Fred

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

Yes, they are a sad eyesore on what would be nearly ideal factory guns. That and the patent breeches the Italians absolutely insist be used on all these guns, which I personally dislike severely.

 

[FishDFly]

Yes, they are a sad eyesore on what would be nearly ideal factory guns. That and the patent breeches the Italians absolutely insist be used on all these guns, which I personally dislike severely.

With the lawyers and lawsuits in this world, can please inform everyone how manufacturers are not to put warning stamps on barrels, they would all like to know?????

They all could save a bunch of money with your infinite knowledge into law and lawsuits and save manufacturing costs.

You seem to have more knowledge than those who make M/L fire arms.

"That and the patent breeches the Italians absolutely insist be used on all these guns, which I personally dislike severely.[/quote]"

What is your answer to what is better than a patent breech from your manufacturing experience????????

 

[NorthFork]

Mr. Eames is correct. Safety warnings cannot be avoided in this litigious society of ours. Nothing wrong with patent breeches either. Just clean it.

 

[dlidster]

> . . . That and the patent breeches the Italians absolutely insist be used on all these guns, which I personally dislike severely . . .

Just curious. Why the personal dislike of patent breeches?

 

[Grenadier1758]

All too often the patent breech is smaller than bore size. This means that when wiping the bore between shots, fouling is pushed into the patent breech and the fouling blocks the path from the ignition point to main charge.

This can be overcome by using a slightly undersize jag that slides the wiping patch over the fouling and bunches up to pull the fouling up as the patch is withdrawn. You can also use a sub caliber bore brush to go into the patent breech and clean out the fouling. On a drum percussion ignition gun, you can run a damp patch to the breech and fire a percussion cap to drive the fouling into the patch.

The main issue seems to be that extra maintenance is required to keep the guns with a patent breech firing for a long range session.

 

[burlesontom]

All of my guns have the patent breech and I have never had an issue with fouling stopping up the breech. And when cleaning I use a 22 caliber bristle brush with a wet patch wrapped around it to get into the smaller area of the breech. Its just the nature of the guns.

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

Right, this.

 

[SDSmlf]

What guns with patent breeches have you personally had problems with? Have over a dozen the uneducated would call a patent breech, but are chambered breeches (TCs, Lyman and Pedersoli for example). I know you wouldn’t be referring to these. Curious mind wants to learn from an expert.

 

[nkbj]

I've a Lyman that is an absolute hang fire queen because of the "patent" breech, needs more special treatment than a spoiled dog. It's an unnecessary complication when improperly built.

 

[Kansas Jake]

I have a Traditions 36 caliber Shenandoh in flint and it is real finicky after about the second or third shot. You have to slap the off lock side a couple of time, tap on the butt once or twice and say a prayer to the BP gods to get it to fire reliably after the 2nd or third shot. If not, you will get a flash in the pan. After cleaning, it is real reliable for about three shots the next time out and then becomes fussy.

I've opened the touch hole slightly after it did this and that still hasn't helped much. Some times you have to push powder through the touch hole to with a pick get it to fire.