Pietta 1858 ?

[Hylander]

Is this the norm for a pieta 1858.
Looking at the pic on Cabelas site.
Note where the arrow is pointing, kinda has a little hook look.
I ask because I have a line on a new unfired one from a member on another site and it looks just like the one in the pic.
Any pics of yours to compare to ?

Thanks

 

[Black Jack]

Hy.....don't really understand the question. Arrow pointing? Hook look? Perhaps you could explain in more detail to clarify so someone can help you.

 

[Hylander]

Sorry
Forgot the Pic :redface:

 

[Black Jack]

I also own an unfired 1858. No pictures right now, but in short, no such indentation on mine. Couple of very light machining marks on the left side of the trigger guard, but otherwise perfect. Got it on sale from Cabellas, great gun for the price.

 

[M. De Land]

Looks like a bit of a misalignment on the broaching job to me. Not a safety concern at all in my opinion but certainly not very attractive. Mike D.

 

[Hylander]

Looks like a bit of a misalignment on the broaching job to me. Not a safety concern at all in my opinion but certainly not very attractive. Mike D.

Strarted searching the net for pictures and found that at least 1/2 seem to look the same.

 

[necchi]

Mines a 1997, and does not have that.
Like Mike pointed out it's not anything that going to cause a safety or function issue.
And I personally don't think it's slightly or unsightly, :idunno:
It just is. I mean they are what they are, by no means a high end reproduction but a fully functioning reproduction.
Know what I mean?

 

[Steve Stephens]

Two weeks ago I received my first BP pistols including an 1858 Pietta from Cabelas. Mine has the same indentation but with a slightly less pronounced abrupt change at the rear on both sides of the barrel. If you look up inside there you can see where the milling of the frame caused the indentation. I don't know if that is careless milling or is supposed to be there. Never would have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out.

Steve

 

[Hylander]

Two weeks ago I received my first BP pistols including an 1858 Pietta from Cabelas. Mine has the same indentation but with a slightly less pronounced abrupt change at the rear on both sides of the barrel. If you look up inside there you can see where the milling of the frame caused the indentation. I don't know if that is careless milling or is supposed to be there. Never would have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out.

Steve

Your Welcome :haha:
Can you post a pic of yours ?
Thanks

 

[Wes/Tex]

I don't know if that is careless milling or is supposed to be there. Never would have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out.

Steve

My money is on speed of production and cost. As you say, if someone hadn't pointed it out, it'd go without comment.

 

[bpd303]

I just checked both of my older 1858s (not Pietta) and neither of them have that cutout. Both have a very small gap that only shows one barrel thread instead of the four threads shown in the photo.

 

[swathdiver]

I just checked both of my older 1858s (not Pietta) and neither of them have that cutout. Both have a very small gap that only shows one barrel thread instead of the four threads shown in the photo.

Those ASP/Euroarms are really reproductions of the Beals or Old Army version.

My .44s and .36s have that, probably done to help fouling. Never even noticed it and been firing many many hundreds of rounds through them recently!

 

[Zonie]

I wouldn't worry about the misalignment between the machining operations from a functional or safety point of view.

I'm not so sure the gun shown is a copy of a Remington Beals Old Army revolver.

The Remington Beals Old Army had almost no relief in front of the cylinder at all. This buried almost all of the barrel threads inside the front of the receiver.


At one time several Italian companies made reproductions of the Beals and the photo below shows mine.



For those interested:
The Remington Beals was Remingtons first try at getting the Military to buy their gun. This was in 1861.
The Army bought some but was not happy.
The revolvers would lock up after firing a few shots primarily because of fouling that built up on the face of the cylinder and the receiver where the barrel is located.

Remington redesigned this area to cut away some of the receiver leaving the rear threads of the barrel standing proud.
The exposed barrel threads provided a minimal area to get fouled and also served to scrape the fouling off of the front of the cylinder.
This relief is seen on the "Remington "1861 Army Revolver" (Remingtons second attempt to please the Army) and on the Remington "New Army" (Remingtons third and final version of their Cap & Ball .44 pistol).