Please help with stuck jag....

[tx-hunter]

I don't know if this is the right place or not, but here goes.

I was swabbing out the bore with a jag and patch after cleaning and the jag/patch hung up in the chamber. I pulled as hard as i could, but it is stuck. I foolishly unscrewed the rod off the jag. Is there any way to get it out without destroying the barrel. I don't care about the jag, they are cheap.

BTW, there is no breech plug.

Thanks

 

[Slowpoke]

Who made it? What type of rifle is it (flint or percussion)?

 

[bioprof]

I used a CO2 discharger to remove a patched jag from an antique rifle. It worked great, but make sure to point it in a safe direction. It made a 1/2" deep dent in the trim in my garage. An air compressor with the right adapter might work also. I have also heard of someone putting a grease fitting in place of the nipple on a percussion rifle, and forcing the jag out with a grease gun.

 

[Black Hand]

More information as to the type/brand of gun would be helpful.

 

[Zonie]

The CO2, compressed air, grease gun and zert fitting all work but don't forget the tried and proven "shoot it out" method.
The shoot it out method works on guns with patent breech plugs where the nipple or vent is located on the breech of the barrel, and it will work on guns with side vent's or drums if the jag or projectile is not pushed down below the point where they intersect the bore.

To use this method, work as much powder down into the barrel thru the vent or flame channel under the nipple as you can.
Replace the nipple or pick the vent and fire it in the normal manner while pointing it in a safe direction.
If the stuck patch/jag was wet, the shoot it out method may not work because the powder will become wet.

Good luck

Zonie

 

[JWP]

By chance, have you tried to re-screw the ramrod to the jag ? It can be done if your lucky and take your time.
If you can get the jag screwed back onto the ramrod, you can try the options mentioned above - once you've seat the jag.
Before you seat the jag, put some 4F in the touchhole - if a nipple gun, remove the nipple and work some 4f into the hole. Once this is done, seat the jag THEN unscrew the ramrod and shoot it out (remember, safety first).
Another way to remove a stuck jag is to put some solvent (oil, gun cleaner or plain water) down the barrel - let it soak a few minutes then try pulling the stuck jag again. Hopefully the fluid will lub the patch enough to let it pull out.
Like mentioned above - this will soak the powder and make firing it out hard if not impossible. You will need to decide which you want to do first.
Relax, you've not ruined the gun - you'll get it out .... hope this helps.

 

[davy]

Normally I would use the powder method or even the CO2 method ... but ... since the jag is down there damage mite happen if you force it out under pressure and velocity.

You simply do not know where that jag mite score the barrel. So that being said .. short of removing the breech plug and pushing it out slowly, I would opt for the grease zerk fitting method .. its slow .. just like you would want to do it .. so's as not to score the barrel .. but instead gently ease it out of the bore. Just my 2 cents. :thumbsup:

Davy

 

[Norskie]

I'm trying to picture a barrel with built with no breechplug and I'm coming up dry. There must be some way to get at the back of this chamber, no? Even if the tang projection looks seamless with the barrel, there still must be a seam there somewhere. Arhgh! We need data to keep our brainwheels from spinning too fast! :grin:

 

[rabbit03]

yeah I am with you on this there has to be a breach plug or he is saying that it is out or the barrel???

If it is out and the rear (breach section) of the barrel is open then simply push it all the way through. If it is not no big deal try the above method and put some powder in and shoot it out. If you have a steal ramrod or cleaning rod and can get it screwed back on the jag then hang the end (knob)of the rod on something that will hold it ( a vice would do) and yank it out. But I would still prefer the shoot it out method as mentioned above.

rabbit03

 

[rabbit03]

hey Davy!
Going to see the All knowing tomorrow in SA and show him my Big Hawken 58 for his cretique. Hopefully will stain it by next week and get it finished finally

rabbit03

 

[roundball]

yeah I am with you on this there has to be a breach plug or he is saying that it is out or the barrel???

If it is out and the rear (breach section) of the barrel is open then simply push it all the way through. If it is not no big deal try the above method and put some powder in and shoot it out. If you have a steal ramrod or cleaning rod and can get it screwed back on the jag then hang the end (knob)of the rod on something that will hold it ( a vice would do) and yank it out. But I would still prefer the shoot it out method as mentioned above.

rabbit03

I took it to mean it didn't have an 'owner removeable breech plug"...as in more modern types...maybe not.

 

[bob1961]

if ya can get the rod back on ya can get the patch and jag wet with water down the bore....it worked fer me....dry patch will often get stuck...........bob

 

[Zonie]

You didn't say what kind of muzzleloader your gun is.
If it is the .32 cal Crockett (sp?) several of the members have found that the breech plug does not reach the bore of the gun. This leaves a space there for a patched jag to get caught.
If this has happened to your rifle, the only way proven method so far is to unbreech the gun.
Because you said "BTW, there is no breech plug." I don't think you have that gun, but I thought I would mention it.

Just curious though. Why doesn't it have a breech plug? The only guns I have that don't use those new fangled brass tubes with all of the fixens inside them. (by the way, those new fangled things will never catch on. What does one do if their 600 miles from the nearest post and they loose all of them tubes? Their plain out of luck!

Zonie

 

[davy]

hey Davy!
Going to see the All knowing tomorrow in SA and show him my Big Hawken 58 for his cretique. Hopefully will stain it by next week and get it finished finally

rabbit03

Cool rabbit! :thumbsup: Tell him to go gentle as he kin be mity ornry! :grin: Be sure and post some photos when it gets done!

Back to the subject ... IF it is a steel ballpuller you mite inadvertantly scrape the bore with it scratching hell outta of it if you are not careful ... better to go slow with removal IMHO just to play it safe Ima thinkin! :hmm:

Davy

 

[shmrck1]

Tx-hunter,
You have not mentioned, cal.,make of
m/l etc. I had a .45cal Green Mountain barrel
that I had the same problem with. After all
the efforts that have been told here I ended
up sending it back to G/M and thay took care
of the problem and I had my barrel back within
10 days. Total cost was shiping barrel back
to them. Some M/L Co stand behind their products
reguardless. Green Mountain and Thompson Center
are two that I personally know of and I am sure
there are others.
snake-eyes :hatsoff:

 

[tx-hunter]

Hey yall, sorry for the delay getting back. The barrel has no breech plug. It is welded or closed at the breech. Only one way in and out. I don't remember the brand name, but it is one of the cheap italian made guns. Mute point now though. I was foolin around with it last night and was able to get a cleaning rod to screw on to the jag and yanked it out. I don't know what it was caught on, but it was stuck good.

Thanks for all the replies!! :hatsoff:

 

[Black Hand]

I would check the breech end closely. The milling process smoothes the metal, and if the threads are a good fit, the line is very nearly invisible, and is further covered by the barrel finish (bluing/browning). I have one of the Italian guns, and this is the case with mine.

 

[tx-hunter]

thanks Blackhand, i'll check it out tonight.