I agree with paul. Further more you could ask around a bit in the towns if someone has seen anything. Ask other hunters and land owners if they have the same problem, involve the public and the sheriff.Engage a person which is always there to look after.
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well we had the same problem with them driving around the gate on my sisterinlaws farm. so in the ditch i planted some spikes. you know those big 4x4 tires go flat easy they also do not carry spairs. got 2 of them that way now no one comes on the place.
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For about $100 you can get digital gametracker cameras. You'll have to careful about setting them up so they can't be seen but as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
This worked at my Mothers farm, had someone stealing equipment and produce. Turned out to be a neighbors kid. Rather than involving the law we let his father just give him an old time wupping with the understanding that he stay off the property for the following year ( we allow the neighbors permission to use the fields/woods for recreational purposes).
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I do live on the property. Ive been here about 5 weeks now.
I have told about a half dozen people that they could no longer hunt on the property.
One neighbors response was,(everybody hunts and fishes on your property so good luck trying to catch them) :rotf: .
I do like the idea of using game trail cameras.
I thought about buying a nice $300.00 tree stand,
put it up on an isolated part of my property, and install one or two game cameras. And set back and see who takes the bait.
I have also been advised that it wouldnt be a bad idea to make sure I am armed when I go out on the property. Dont know who you may run into out there.
I have told about a half dozen people that they could no longer hunt on the property.
One neighbors response was,(everybody hunts and fishes on your property so good luck trying to catch them) :rotf: .
I do like the idea of using game trail cameras.
I thought about buying a nice $300.00 tree stand,
put it up on an isolated part of my property, and install one or two game cameras. And set back and see who takes the bait.
I have also been advised that it wouldnt be a bad idea to make sure I am armed when I go out on the property. Dont know who you may run into out there.
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Hey Paul,
That's a very interesting :hmm: and good idea. They always say to fight fire with fire. In this case, locals to watch locals. Hope it works out for everyone.
That's a very interesting :hmm: and good idea. They always say to fight fire with fire. In this case, locals to watch locals. Hope it works out for everyone.
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Glad you liked it, Cowpoke. I was a public defender, and had to represent some of the rural Yahoos who did these kinds of things. I used the time to find out how they thought, and what motivated them to do acts of vandalism. Basically, they are selfish people, who resent outsiders. If they have been playing, and hunting, legal or otherwise on some property since they were little kids they deeply resent being told they are no longer allowed on the property.
New owners have to learn the lay of the land, and that includes the history of who has used their property and for what purpose. You can gain that history from a local guy. But, he will not tell you unless there is something in it for him, too.
Most of the times, if you reserve that leased property for your own family hunt on opening day, and then let others have access the rest of the season, or on any other schedule, they will work with you, and not against you. They do understand that you are paying money for that lease, or to own the property, and like anyone else, you want value for your money. If your manager is worth anything, he will enlist the locals who want to use the property to do a Spring Clean up day where they help pick up trash, fix fences, help plant trees and shrubs, or fix locations for feeder stations, or food plots, help plow, and plant,these food plots, and in general help improve the carrying capacity of the land so there is more game for both the owner and them to hunt. They in turn will gain an education in wildlife management techniques, which they can use on their families properties, and approach other neighbors to do on their properties. so that there is more hunting for everyone. It just takes direction, and you can turn vandals into good neighbors, again.
New owners have to learn the lay of the land, and that includes the history of who has used their property and for what purpose. You can gain that history from a local guy. But, he will not tell you unless there is something in it for him, too.
Most of the times, if you reserve that leased property for your own family hunt on opening day, and then let others have access the rest of the season, or on any other schedule, they will work with you, and not against you. They do understand that you are paying money for that lease, or to own the property, and like anyone else, you want value for your money. If your manager is worth anything, he will enlist the locals who want to use the property to do a Spring Clean up day where they help pick up trash, fix fences, help plant trees and shrubs, or fix locations for feeder stations, or food plots, help plow, and plant,these food plots, and in general help improve the carrying capacity of the land so there is more game for both the owner and them to hunt. They in turn will gain an education in wildlife management techniques, which they can use on their families properties, and approach other neighbors to do on their properties. so that there is more hunting for everyone. It just takes direction, and you can turn vandals into good neighbors, again.
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The land use thing has changed a lot over the years. When I was a kid , US Steel had 1800 Acers by where I lived. Everyone hunted on it. You could cut fire wood off it, as long as you didn't cut the pines.
But in this new sue everyone for anything possible. You are no longer allowed on their property at all! The sad part is you can't blame them. They had to pay out some big judgements on BS law-suits. Maybe the state could pass a law that would not allow anyone to sue if you are using someone else's property.
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But in this new sue everyone for anything possible. You are no longer allowed on their property at all! The sad part is you can't blame them. They had to pay out some big judgements on BS law-suits. Maybe the state could pass a law that would not allow anyone to sue if you are using someone else's property.
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In Illinois landowners are protected from suits for injuries by recreatinal use guests, unless the plaintiff can prove Intentional wrong doing, as in building a pit-fall trap. Also, all landowners are protected from suits made by trespassers, which is why the land is posted so often. The law against suits by recreational users was tested in the Ill. Supreme Court by a trial judge in the Northern tier counties, who allows a suit to go forward and a large judgment entered against a Forest Preserve, for injuries sustained by a snowmobiler who had to be the first one on the trails, and who ran into some construction work where a ditch was dug across the frail. He was going too fast to avoid the ditch and broke his leg among other injuried and damage. The Supreme Court reversed the judgment and admonished the trial judge for allowing the trial to go forward in clear contravention of the statute. The justices thought that anyone going down a new trail should be wary of many hazards, including construction work, and trees that fall during the night across trails, and that the Plaintiff clearly was not exercising the due caution for his own safety when he sped down the trail.
You state may have a similar law; if not, start a campaign to get one.
You state may have a similar law; if not, start a campaign to get one.
Go to your local builders supply and get some rebar stakes. Drive those around the bypass area of the gate. Makes for nice cheap tire deflators. Get you a few steel fence posts and drive those around in sellect places.
I would post new signs all over, No Hunting, No Tresspassing. Make sure there posted with local Law Enforcement. Get you some cameras up and set back and watch.
Definately go armed out and about.
I wouldnt be pushed around by anybody on my own place renting or leasing etc.
I would post new signs all over, No Hunting, No Tresspassing. Make sure there posted with local Law Enforcement. Get you some cameras up and set back and watch.
Definately go armed out and about.
I wouldnt be pushed around by anybody on my own place renting or leasing etc.
I fought with these people for over twenty years. There is no good answer except information and education. Next time a guy kinda looks around and then starts to tell about the 4 turkeys he got with one shot the other morning, a cell phone should be coming out of every other pocket in the group to turn him in. That is what will change it.
I was in court yesterday with a guy that shot at me on my own property because he did not want me hunting on that part of my land. He owns a couple of half acre lots. The charges stood and next we go to trial. I still don't carry a gun because I have too bad a temper. I would use it, and maybe too quickly. What I do carry is a camera or a cellphone with a camera. I photograph their vehicles, plates, and them if possible.
I am way too tired right now for this discussion.
I was in court yesterday with a guy that shot at me on my own property because he did not want me hunting on that part of my land. He owns a couple of half acre lots. The charges stood and next we go to trial. I still don't carry a gun because I have too bad a temper. I would use it, and maybe too quickly. What I do carry is a camera or a cellphone with a camera. I photograph their vehicles, plates, and them if possible.
I am way too tired right now for this discussion.
About 25 yrs. ago we were getting overrun with tresspassers. I heard it all, we wounded a deer and it came this way ( no tracks in the snow, etc.), we have hunted here all our life, (well then you tresspassed all your life), we have permission from the owner ( oh yeah, what is his name?). I remember one year we took 11 guys to court, and from then on the word was out. All the neighbors did the same thing. Sure there are guys who have permission to hunt, but they get it before they are caught in the field. If you have to ask when you are in the field, it is an automatic refusal. Now, if you wounded game and you came and got me and show me the trail, I will work with you all night and day to help you get it. They have to remember though, I need a trail or proof, I have been down that road too many times before and when we go looking, we are looking for one animal, not enough animals to fill ALL THIER tags.
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I get pretty upset when I hear this type of story and it appears that more and more of it is going on all the time. What frustrates me most is that hunters that buy a liscence will have the book thrown at them if they are in violation of any hunting law. However, people who flagrently poach and do it repeatedly are treated like some sort of Robin Hood and only given relatively mild sentences. I read the PA game News and watch the web site to get my sources on this. Poachers need to be treated like the criminals they are. Forget the fine, - put them in jail with Bubba and the general population. if they are Bad A$$ types, they will get to prove it. I used be friends with a guy and actually hunted with him for about 10 years. For whatever reason he suddenly started bragging about his former "outlaw" ways of hunting. It was poaching, pure and simple. I soon told him that I did not appreciate his oppinion of himself and that I no longer valued his company or friendship. That kind of jerk needs to have his but kicked often and hard.
