Powder Types

[Scota4570]

Check out the manufacturer's data. In cartridges you load to 100% or more loading density, so no chance of blowing up your gun. You get extremely low variation in velocity, so potental for excellent accuracy? The ballistics are respectable. Cleaning is a non issue. It is smokeless powder that gives BP consistency in a BP cartridge. Interesting to me.

 

[Rokon]

Black MZ is a superior alternative to BP and other substitutes in percussion guns.

Blackhorn 209 is specifically formulated for in-lines and CF cartridges. It does contain a trace of sulfur so you must clean up as if you were shooting real BP

 

[coloradoclyde]

Black MZ is a superior alternative to BP and other substitutes in percussion guns.

What criteria are you using to place it on such a high pedestal?
Please do tell.

 

[Alden]

The California info is interesting -- I didn't know what Leftist rules had actually been imposed on the people at the end of the day.

I suppose California hunters should carry a single loose non-lead ball in a known pocket. If someone wants to search you for balls, well, I'd object...

 

[coloradoclyde]

From what I have read it doesn't seem as bad as what duck hunters have had to endure over the years.
Am I missing something?

 

[Billnpatti]

"People in California can get all the Black Powder they wish."

Geeze, your statement is amazing in that it is different from what many people from your country are reporting. Even here in America we have some difficulty getting real black powder and many have been reduced to shooting substitutes.

 

[azmntman]

Am I missing something?

We all be missing alot if/when! Targets that is! :rotf:

 

[Billnpatti]

"Am I missing something?"

Yep, the dearth of non-lead balls for muzzleloaders. Do you know of a source? If so, please share for the benefit of the folks in The Peoples Republic of California.

 

[coloradoclyde]

"Am I missing something?"

Yep, the dearth of non-lead balls for muzzleloaders. Do you know of a source? If so, please share for the benefit of the folks in The Peoples Republic of California.

Muzzleladers definetely got the shaft. I do not know of any good sources.
I do see one heck of an opportunity
I think it is ironic that pellet guns are exempt
guess they never heard of Quakenbush.

 

[Larry Pletcher]

"Am I missing something?"

Yep, the dearth of non-lead balls for muzzleloaders. Do you know of a source? If so, please share for the benefit of the folks in The Peoples Republic of California.

I did a test of a non-lead ball in 2010:

ITX non lead ball test

We were asked to determine if the ITX ball was acceptable for hunting at round ball ranges. The included link describes our test. There are pros and cons, but our assessment was that it was usable for hunting up to perhaps 100 yds. We definitely prefer lead because of ease of loading, ease of pulling a ball if necessary, and because we would have prefered a slight change in ball size. This is described in the article. We do hope that our sport doesn't need this for a solution.

Regards,
Pletch

 

[Rifleman1776]

Interesting test and I thank you for sharing. Sad that we are even considering an alternative to lead. History and the ml avocation will suffer if forced to make this change.
As for the test, I find it interesting you moistened the teflon patching. The teflon is slickery by itself and needs no moisture.
I would not wish to use the ITX for hunting due to lack of expansion.

 

[Larry Pletcher]

Interesting test and I thank you for sharing. Sad that we are even considering an alternative to lead. History and the ml avocation will suffer if forced to make this change.
As for the test, I find it interesting you moistened the teflon patching. The teflon is slickery by itself and needs no moisture.
I would not wish to use the ITX for hunting due to lack of expansion.

Steve used both moistened and unmoistened Teflon. We only included Teflon because his record-breaking target (shot with lead)was shot with it. For hunting we would not use Teflon; ticking would be Steve's choice. Steve likes Teflon when target shooting, and Murphy's oil soap when using ticking.

BTW, the April American Rifleman has a ad for tis product.

Regards,
Pletch

 

[MSW]

thanks for the post about the test ... I cannot help but wonder how much more these new projectiles cost, and now with their introduction, can they be remelted and recast, or is this a 'fire and forget' deal?

guess I'd better get a bunch of lead and not tell anybody...

:wink:

 

[Rat Trapper]

YOu can shoot Triple Seven in your cap locks with no problems. I've done it for years in my TC rifles. While I have a pretty good supply of Goex black powder, I prefer Triple Seven for hunting. The Goex gets used in the smaller caliber target guns.

 

[Rifleman1776]

For hunting we would not use Teflon

Is there a reason, other than personal choice, why you would not use it for hunting?

 

[Larry Pletcher]

For hunting we would not use Teflon

Is there a reason, other than personal choice, why you would not use it for hunting?

It's hard to load without wiping between shots.
Regards,
Pletch

 

[Rifleman1776]

For hunting we would not use Teflon

Is there a reason, other than personal choice, why you would not use it for hunting?

It's hard to load without wiping between shots.
Regards,
Pletch

OK. I wouldn't know that. I ALWAYS swab between shots, even when hunting. Got stuck in woods once with a ball stuck in bore. :cursing: Swore it would never happen again. Hasn't.