Pyrodex in a Flintlock

[Snapshot in Norway]

Pyrodex is not for flint locks. Period. If you try it it will play havoc with your ignition..!

 

[Grenadier1758]

It is true that Pyrodex is not for flint lock ignitions, but a suitable work around is to have a real black powder kicker to ignite the Pyrodex.

 

[FPDoc]

There's always the former percussion shooter who thinks it's OK to use Pyrodex in a flintlock. Go ahead and use it. But don't piss and moan when you have ****** results.

Grizz says: "Didn't put enough dirt down. Saw it right off." As Robert Redford sets himself on fire in the movie Jeremiah Johnson.

 

[B P Maniac Shooter]

This should get me through the dry period until BP production gets back up. (hoping someone buys the GOEX plant)

Schuetzen powder is available. Good powder to use & cleans better than Goex. I don't see GoeX coming back anytime soon. The massive start up costs and less demand for the product will kept it quiet.

 

[skoda]

I use straight Pyrodex in my Japanese Ultra-Hi flintlocks with 4Fg in the pan and have very good results. But then they are smooth bores and I'm shooting any scraps that I can find like spent primers and bits of wire because they are cheap guns and I'm just shooting them for fun not accuracy. And also because I have a bunch of Pyrodex that I got when the local everything store put them on clearance and I got it for $2.50 a pound. I bought all that they had so now I have to use it up! It doesn't go near my better flintlocks.

I say that if it works for you use it. But I'd look for a long term BP solution like ordering a bunch from Maine Powder or some other such place. Sometimes you just have to help yourself out.

 

[Sidney Smith]

It is true that Pyrodex is not for flint lock ignitions, but a suitable work around is to have a real black powder kicker to ignite the Pyrodex.

Why bother! Just use real black powder and you won't have to worry about ignition problems.

 

[deerstalkert]

 

[lexington1]

Pyrodex works great in flintlocks, but the key is to use 4f black powder for the pan, then 10 grains of 3f black powder in the main charge, with another 10 grains of 2f black powder on top of that followed by the balance of the charge of Pyrodex, generally 10 grains of rifle grade Pyrodex with 10 grains of pistol grade Pyrodex. For hunting it's best to use a Pyrodex pellet on top of it all.

I'm being sarcastic. Do not try this at home or anywhere else!

 

[Newtire]

Right now, if I want to shoot it, I have to use Pyrodex.

I will try the duplex load. It I am firing a 90 grain load of Pyrodex I could drop it to 80 and add 10 grains of 3f black powder. Does that sound about right?

I tried a duplex load like that in a flint Pedersoli .62 fowler. Only thing was that I used Black MZ on top of 10 gr. real deal Holy black. I got a delayed ignition but it did go off. Since I have a supply of the real stuff, I use it instead and use the MZ in my caplock. If it's all you have, I say, do it the way you tried. I'll have to try maybe a little more black. That big .62 bore probably makes for a pretty thin layer of black.

In the meantime, keep an eye on several sites for your real black as it does come up but goes fast. Watch it every day and you'll probably find some. Just order enough to make it worth your while with having to pay the extra $20 Hazmat fee on top of shipping.

 

[leadhoarder]

Pyrodex works great in flintlocks, but the key is to use 4f black powder for the pan, then 10 grains of 3f black powder in the main charge, with another 10 grains of 2f black powder on top of that followed by the balance of the charge of Pyrodex, generally 10 grains of rifle grade Pyrodex with 10 grains of pistol grade Pyrodex. For hunting it's best to use a Pyrodex pellet on top of it all.

I'm being sarcastic. Do not try this at home or anywhere else!

You had me until you said to put the rabbit turd on top.

 

[johnfrommd]

Pyrodex is not for flint locks. Period. If you try it it will play havoc with your ignition..!

Please read the entire thread.

 

[toot]

I use T-7, TRIPPLE 7. in my ROCKLOCKS, and have ignition every time, of course I prime the pan with real BP, any grade- 4fg-1fg. jmho.

 

[kid_couteau]

Hi All
Gonna preface this with I know nothing about flinters.

But is there a way that you could use a ferrocium rod as the flint?
It would throw hot sparks.

Just thinking out of my butt so please forgive.
KC

 

[Erwan]

Hi All
Gonna preface this with I know nothing about flinters.

But is there a way that you could use a ferrocium rod as the flint?
It would throw hot sparks.

Just thinking out of my butt so please forgive.
KC

In a flinter, the important thing isn't the sparks, but the particles of red steel and in almost fusion falling in the primer when the flint's scrapping the frizzen...

 

[Sidney Smith]

Hi All
Gonna preface this with I know nothing about flinters.

But is there a way that you could use a ferrocium rod as the flint?
It would throw hot sparks.

Just thinking out of my butt so please forgive.
KC

I saw a video someplace, probably YouTube, where a guy somehow rigged up a lock with almost a Zippo type of arrangement where the falling cock turned a wheel that scrapped a flint rod, or maybe it was a small ferro rod. The resulting sparks did set off the priming charge. The thing looked like Frankenstein's monster, but it did work.

 

[Brokenbear]

I never pulled the trigger on a flinter but I am shooting a ton of Triple 7 3F in revolvers whose ignition is my own home made percussion cap .....
And my priming mixture is 3 dots from toy cap gun roll caps .....
And that home spun cap is lighting off the Triple 7 THROUGH my home spun paper cartridges ..through paper mind you ..a cap gun cap!

I offer this up because you are low on BP for priming ..having used both Pyrodex and T7 ..I am convinced that of the two.. T7 is easier to light ..what is not known by me but others who have tested Flints on T7 can better answer...

Lots of places in the USA just simply do not have BP access and for some it is not an option to plop down $150 or even $450 to ship some in from afar ..as if any seller has BP now

So work arounds are the needs of the today ..

Bear

 

[johnfrommd]

I don't discount what you are percieving but the Safety Data Sheets for BP, Prodex and T7 show Pyrodex to have a lower auto ignition temp than T7.
BP is 392 degrees F
Pyrodex is 740 degrees F
T7 is 770 degrees F

Based on the data, Pyrodex should be easier to ignite than T7.

 

[Cruzatte]

Pyrodex works great in flintlocks, but the key is to use 4f black powder for the pan, then 10 grains of 3f black powder in the main charge, with another 10 grains of 2f black powder on top of that followed by the balance of the charge of Pyrodex, generally 10 grains of rifle grade Pyrodex with 10 grains of pistol grade Pyrodex. For hunting it's best to use a Pyrodex pellet on top of it all.

I'm being sarcastic. Do not try this at home or anywhere else!

Rather like that old 19th Century joke about drinking the water from the Missouri River. Put some of that river water in a tin cup, swish it around and throw it out. Then fill the tin cup with whiskey, and that Missouri River water tastes mighty fine.

 

[Brokenbear]

I don't discount what you are percieving but the Safety Data Sheets for BP, Prodex and T7 show Pyrodex to have a lower auto ignition temp than T7.
BP is 392 degrees F
Pyrodex is 740 degrees F
T7 is 770 degrees F

Based on the data, Pyrodex should be easier to ignite than T7.

Well that should blow a hole in what I am seeing ..after all I left Pyrodex because of delayed ignition ..but when I tried T7 instant success ..my process may need examined but I'm not going to buy a jug of Pyrodex to test it when the T7 is working fine and is non corrosive or near so

Good input .
thanks
Bear

 

[johnfrommd]

I have a pound of T7 that I used for hunting loads. Since I don't hunt anymore, I probably work up some loads for my target rifle or shoot it in my Remington Beals revolvers. I used it because it was the only way I could get the 700 FPE Marylandistan requires for handgun hunting.