Pyrodex vs Real BP

[Billnpatti]

Dan, that sounds like a good experiment and you must have already done it at least one time. Do you have any pictures of your experiment that you can share? I accept that the substitutes are more corrosive but I have no imperical proof of it. :idunno: I NEVER leave a gun unclean after shooting it :nono: so I have never seen the corrosion even though, in the past, I have used just about all of the substitutes at one time or another. If you don't have some good photos of your experiment, why not repeat it and take some good photos that you can share. This is something that a person new to muzzleloading needs to know. Like is said "A picture is worth a thousand words."

Thanks for your input, Dan, you are a valuable resource. :thumbsup:

 

[ebiggs1]

That “test” is really moot. Who would leave their prized muzzle loader uncleaned for a week or two? :idunno:

I have too many guns here that have shot Pyrodex for decades and have not rusted away! Amazing, I know. :shocked2:
Now, can you make a gun rust from Pyrodex? I am sure you can, if you just neglect it long enough. :hmm:

 

[M. De Land]

I used to use pyrodex both R&S and P. It didn't light well for me in very cold weather using my standard caps and I found it always clumps up in the can on me. It comes that way in the can and it gets that way in the can over time.I've never seen a can of clumped up BP and I store them together.
It also corroded up a brass charger I kept it in. An identical charger with 3F Goex did not corrode.
I gave up on it after a few years although I still have a bit around for testings sake.
Although, if it was all I could get I'm sure I would................. ah.............. find out how to make my own Black Powder. :rotf: MD

 

[Huntin_Dawg1215]

Just wanted to throw this in. Two weeks ago I saw a can of Pyrodex RS in a shop priced $35.95 for a 1 pound can.

 

[jdkerstetter]

You can get about 30 pounds of real lawn fertilizer for that price at Lowe's. :wink: Enjoy, J.D.

 

[Huntin_Dawg1215]

I felt the same,but that high of price wouldn't that make it fertilizer or just b.s. which is the same, right?

 

[Matt85]

i have 1 and half pounds of pyrodex someone can have if they want. (ya gotta come pick it up)

pyrodex performed poorly in my guns when compared to real BP. the groups arent as tight and its more expensive then real BP. i also found my normal cleaning doesnt work as well with pyrodex, i had very rapid rust issues that like a cancer were very hard to stop.

i will stick with real BP its cheaper, more accurate, and less corrosive.

-matt

 

[Danny Ross]

I have acase of KIK "just in case" but choose to shoot Pyrodex RS regularly. I get 3" groups at 100 yards with a RB out of a 1/66 twist 32" barrel from both a .54 GPR and a modified Renegade. in addition to several deer, all pass throughs, Ive killed a buffalo with the same load and got tremendous penetration...
I know its fad to bash Pyrodex and thats OK but in reality; Its ALOT cheaper per lb and it has more volue per lb or more shots per lb. It chronographs all the velocity that real BP does thus all the energy in a same sized ball/load. And it stores just fine per my 6 year old cans that I shoot from curently..
For those that like "real" BP, more power to ya. But Pyrodex is not the problem. Prehaps some modifictaions to the load elsewhere might have soleved your concerns?
Either way, you are happy and that is good. :v

 

[Danny Ross]

Well that didn't work like I thought it would. This was not about Pyrodex bashing it was about my findings and why I found BP a more consistent product and was surprised with what I found. Wattsy you mentioned that Pryodex and BP chronos the same. Is that in that in all temps? It gets pretty cold here at times during gun season and muzzleloader season. That is where I found the inconsistency in colder temps. Also you mentioned that it wasn't the Pyrodex but something else I could/may have done. I am willing to learn and I mean that. I used a Hot Shot nipple, RWS or CCI magnum caps when hunting, wiped the barrel before loading, fired caps through the nipple before loading, and re-wiped the barrel, taped the muzzle and used a plastic cap ring to seal the cap to help prevent moisture getting in, bore butter grease patch, used 95grs of pyrodex, and the gun never came in doors after loading. Yeah, I have been known to be long winded at times :yakyak: .

 

[gl1200a]

How can Pyrodex and BP chronograph the same, when
different brands BP don't chrono the same?

 

[Little Wattsy]

Well that didn't work like I thought it would. This was not about Pyrodex bashing it was about my findings and why I found BP a more consistent product and was surprised with what I found. Wattsy you mentioned that Pryodex and BP chronos the same. Is that in that in all temps? It gets pretty cold here at times during gun season and muzzleloader season. That is where I found the inconsistency in colder temps. Also you mentioned that it wasn't the Pyrodex but something else I could/may have done. I am willing to learn and I mean that. I used a Hot Shot nipple, RWS or CCI magnum caps when hunting, wiped the barrel before loading, fired caps through the nipple before loading, and re-wiped the barrel, taped the muzzle and used a plastic cap ring to seal the cap to help prevent moisture getting in, bore butter grease patch, used 95grs of pyrodex, and the gun never came in doors after loading. Yeah, I have been known to be long winded at times :yakyak: .

When I stated that BP and Pyro Chrono the same I mant that "relatively"; 5 loads of the same stuff side by side mont chrono the EXACT same. Pyro was a tad hotter thru my chrono on a spring day but not enough either way to influence a bias on its own.
I live in Oregon and our weather is typically in the teens to low 30's where/when I hunt. We tend to have high moisture. Here again I dont see much differance based on those stats alone...
"Other things to try" are vast and SOME might simply be practice? Either way it took me two-ish years to find the sweet spot for my guns (90 grains of Pyro RS, a .015 TC prelubed patch, and a lee mold - hand cast .535 RB) now THAT works lights out in BOTH my .54 GPR and a .54 TC Renegade with a 32" 1/66 RB barrel on it.
I do believe, however, that each barrel has its own unique harmonics to it that might shoot better with differant variations of stuff prehaps powder included....

 

[S.Kenton]

Sometimes it takes a lot of words to get ones point across.I have no problem with long posts...you explained yourself rather well and thats why I am here is to READ. I thank you for sharing your experience! :v

 

[Kentuckywindage]

oh lordy its the whole myth about pyrodex rusting your bore to dust :haha: :haha:

Clean yer gun you lazy slob, its not smokeless powder. Can't put it any more simpler than that.

 

[necchi]

oh lordy its the whole myth about pyrodex rusting your bore to dust :haha: :haha:

It's not too often I agree with Kentuckywindage,
but I too grow weary of seeing the evils of Pyrodex compounded weekly with the rust myth.

It's true, Clean the gun,,, try using soapy water when cleaning the gun it's been known to work wonders with Trad ML guns.

 

[TFoley]

Just wanted to throw this in. Two weeks ago I saw a can of Pyrodex RS in a shop priced $35.95 for a 1 pound can.

WOW!!!! I sure hope you bought it while it was so cheap!

Uh, did I mention it's almost $60 a can here in yUK?

Select is $70.55...

tac

 

[Little Wattsy]

Just wanted to throw this in. Two weeks ago I saw a can of Pyrodex RS in a shop priced $35.95 for a 1 pound can.

WOW!!!! I sure hope you bought it while it was so cheap!

Uh, did I mention it's almost $60 a can here in yUK?

Select is $70.55...

tac

THAT is ludicris.. $13.95 a lb here in Beaverton and on the shelf right now.

 

[necchi]

19.99 here in Central Minn.

 

[Huntin_Dawg1215]

After reading that I am not goinh to complain anymore. That is truely unbelievable.

Is it always that much?

 

[Huntin_Dawg1215]

The last I bought was that much, at wolly world. I paid that much. That was in the spring of 2012.

 

[ebiggs1]

oh lordy its the whole myth about pyrodex rusting your bore to dust :haha: :haha:

Clean yer gun you lazy slob, its not smokeless powder. Can't put it any more simpler than that.

This concept seems strange to some! :shocked2: