R. Southgate Flintlock #484 Help

[Redmoon]

Id be interested in the info on his work i had already found the serial number sheet on dixie. Thank you though.

 

[dpavelock]

Not sure what you are asking - are you asking me to provide more info to you about the flintlock or Southgate History?
If you google R. Southgate there is a lot of info published

 

[Eddie Southgate]

The front sight is reversed. Easy fix though.

That would be a matter of opinion . I would also prefer it facing the other direction if it has a nice flat face but many may prefer it facing the other way . I have seen both on newly built rifles so it would be difficult to prove that one is correct and the other is not .

I have a saw handle target pistol made the same year for my grandfather , Royland's older brother . The barrel looks to have a fair amount of pitting in the picture , is that the case ? What is the caliber and condition of the bore ?

Eddie

 

[dpavelock]

That would be a matter of opinion . I would also prefer it facing the other direction if it has a nice flat face but many may prefer it facing the other way . I have seen both on newly built rifles so it would be difficult to prove that one is correct and the other is not .

I have a saw handle target pistol made the same year for my grandfather , Royland's older brother . The barrel looks to have a fair amount of pitting in the picture , is that the case ? What is the caliber and condition of the bore ?

Eddie

Thanks for the info. I actually like the site as it is too! Not sure what the caliber is, note is nice and clean, I don’t think this gun got much use. The barrel does have some pitting not really like rust but maybe what happens over years of not caring for it as should. When I got it I cleaned with solvent and have been keeping the bore lubricated

 

[Eddie Southgate]

There are several threads on his rifles on this board that you might want to look at . Several of them are on the first page of this section but the older ones you might have to dig a bit for . Click on my user name and look at my content and you should be able to find an older thread with links to completed auctions . I also posted a link to that thread in one of the current threads . I would love to buy one of his rifles but I unexpectedly retired recently and SS has not kicked in and I have not found a retirement play money job yet . Might have to try to sell some modern stuff I don't need .

 

[dpavelock]

There are several threads on his rifles on this board that you might want to look at . Several of them are on the first page of this section but the older ones you might have to dig a bit for . Click on my user name and look at my content and you should be able to find an older thread with links to completed auctions . I also posted a link to that thread in one of the current threads . I would love to buy one of his rifles but I unexpectedly retired recently and SS has not kicked in and I have not found a retirement play money job yet . Might have to try to sell some modern stuff I don't need .

Ok I’ll do that. Thanks

 

[kipcarter]

That would be a matter of opinion . I would also prefer it facing the other direction if it has a nice flat face but many may prefer it facing the other way . I have seen both on newly built rifles so it would be difficult to prove that one is correct and the other is not .

I have a saw handle target pistol made the same year for my grandfather , Royland's older brother . The barrel looks to have a fair amount of pitting in the picture , is that the case ? What is the caliber and condition of the bore ?

Eddie

Wasn't a brother blinded by an accidental powder explosion in the mid 1960 \/ I used to see him at Charlie Haffner's shoots.

 

[Pete G]

re: sight orientation

It is not opinion; there are hundreds of published photographs of original rifles and they all show sights with slope forward.

 

[dpavelock]

re: sight orientation

It is not opinion; there are hundreds of published photographs of original rifles and they all show sights with slope forward.

Thanks. I was pretty confident this gun was never modified

 

[Pete G]

Thanks. I was pretty confident this gun was never modified

May not have been modified, but sight is still backwards.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

Wasn't a brother blinded by an accidental powder explosion in the mid 1960 \/ I used to see him at Charlie Haffner's shoots.

That was my grandfather , Bailey Wright Southgate . He was called BW or Colonel by most folks that knew him. He was Royland's older brother by about 5 years . I used to shoot with him and Roy Roberts at Owl Hollow and at the range by the Red River in Adams Tennessee in the 70's .

 

[Eddie Southgate]

Thanks. I was pretty confident this gun was never modified

Actually , in my opinion it has two non original parts . The tang bolt he would have never used , not really sure the lock bolt is original to the rifle either . Both are not the type of bolt head he would have used . He had a screw machine and made his own so would have used the correct style of head on the bolts for that rifle . Neither bolt looks right to me . The hammer also has to be a replacement . He made his lock plates and hammers as well as the screws , pins, springs , triggers , and all the brass or silver inlays . That hammer looks like one of the generic hammers that Turner sold in the Dixie catalog .

Can't really be sure, but is there a second crack in the butt , through the incised carving ?

Eddie

 

[Mark Herman]

That was my grandfather , Bailey Wright Southgate . He was called BW or Colonel by most folks that knew him. He was Royland's older brother by about 5 years . I used to shoot with him and Roy Roberts at Owl Hollow and at the range by the Red River in Adams Tennessee in the 70's .

I had the privilege of knowing both Royland and Baily when I lived in Nashville in the 70's. I currently have a pistol that Baily made after he was blinded at the WENO ranch. It is pictured in another post.

 

[springfield art]

I’ve had this old flintlock for several years and by researching can determine it dates to 1958. It looks complete and in nice shape, I can send better photos later.
I have to start selling off a large collection of guns and was trying to get an idea of a reasonable asking price for this. All I can find it an estimated value between $800 to $1300 but was looking for some advice. I would really like to see it go to a true collector.
Any suggestions on how to find a collector would be appreciated -

DO HOMEWORK! A Southgate is worth much more than that range!! Don't get taken!!

 

[springfield art]

Id be interested in a copy also. #369 here

Love the Cat, too! They have a way of getting into everything!

 

[springfield art]

Placing a fine gun in a good auction is also a possibility. You recall the Dixie catalog always mentions Royland's name as one of the fine makers, examples of which they sometimes have in stock. Resist a quick sale, maximize your investment .

 

[dpavelock]

DO HOMEWORK! A Southgate is worth much more than that range!! Don't get taken!!

I’m surprised. So what you are saying you believe this gun may be of higher value than that
Range? I can’t seem to find any completed auctions that show this - I trying to do more research but may auction off on this site once my two weeks are complete since registering - around the 18th

 

[kipcarter]

That was my grandfather , Bailey Wright Southgate . He was called BW or Colonel by most folks that knew him. He was Royland's older brother by about 5 years . I used to shoot with him and Roy Roberts at Owl Hollow and at the range by the Red River in Adams Tennessee in the 70's .

BW and a guy we called Blue Spot Bill used to come to Owl hollow in the 1970's. We had great fun! BW was a neat guy to talk with!!

 

[kipcarter]

BW and a guy we called Blue Spot Bill used to come to Owl hollow in the 1970's. We had great fun! BW was a neat guy to talk with!!

I had a R Southgate that was numbered in the 600's I think. I sold it to Charlie Haffner.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

DO HOMEWORK! A Southgate is worth much more than that range!! Don't get taken!!

Show me proof of your statement . Can you show any auction results from the last ten years that back that up ? Being blood kin and having grown up around him I would like to think his stuff was high art and worth big dollars but it seems that $900 is a big auction price for one now days . That one was nicely striped , the two I have seen on here the last few months are about as plain as to grain as Maple could get and one has replaced parts and a crack ( cracks ? ) in the stock . Maybe you should do your homework .