Racked stock TC Hawking

[dave951]

The stock is an easy fix.

The barrel? If dismount that sight to see how deep the screw holes were drilled. If it's only one or two threads, ie, just enough to mount the sight, then you're probably ok . Otherwise, new barrel

 

[Idaho Ron]

I would not have been interested above 75.00

 

[deerstalkert]

I would not have been interested above 75.00

just about the value of the butt plate, trigger group, wedge and plates. and nose cap. the locks sell on Fleabay for up to 200.00 is the most i have seen. the barrel can be shortened and saved if compromised. the stock is marginally salvageable.
but you bought it so work with what is there and you will learn a lot about the gun.

 

[vintovka]

Now that sellers are at risk of being 1099'd. things are changing. Many are not aware and may not be till next January.

 

[Colonial Boy]

If you have any people in your area that make boots, see if you can get some boot-makers screwed brass wire, this is just dandy.for making tight repairs and was a British armourer’s standby.

 

[sheriff john]

Make for certain it's unloaded. Take off barrel. Unscrew sight from barrel. Look down barrel with a light focused on peep sight mounting hole. If you see light, you are hosed.

Lightly lube peep sight mounting screw, put it back in the hole in the barrel, screw it in to see how far the screw goes in. If the screw keeps going in 'til it bottoms out - that hole is deeper'n that screw (you may have a problem). It that's the case, take out screw and find something to measure the depth of the hole. Then you know what you have.

If the barrel's good to go, fix the crack. Crack fixed, put the peep sight back on. Get a candle and blacken the peep sight where it meets the wood. Put barrel back in, carefully remove wood that shows carbon black. Do this again. No more black ? Just a hair more wood and you're good to go.

That particular crack is also common when the bolt that holds the lock is over tightened. So, the peep sight might have been a problem, but a too-tight lock screw may have been a part of the problem as well..

All in all, I'd say you didn't get a great deal, but fixed up it'll be a good gun to have fun with. Black powder does not generate pressure the same way smokeless does, so if the sight mounting holes not too deep, I'd shoot that gun.

 

[DuncNZ]

I don't see the logic in fitting a sight like that when a perfectly good tang mounted aperture is available and would have done the job with no brass , no cutting wood , no broken stock , Just the removal of a couple of screws . The sight isn't even fitted square to the barrel flat and it looks like the brass plate has touched the wood .

 

[nkbj]

Don't shoot it until you fix it. That would create more damage and likely won't shoot well 'til healed.
For TC stocks cracked off side like that I've pried open the crack, cleaned and dried the surfaces, glued the crack and then compressed it shut before drilling through for reinforcement.
While you're at it you might consider bedding the tang and the barrel. And, examine the barrel for whether it needs to be refreshed.
There's no reason it shouldn't be a serious targeteer.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

That can be buffed right out....

 

[FishDFly]

"Now that sellers are at risk of being 1099'd. things are changing."

Please explain, plain English, what the above means.

How is that going to impact classifieds here?

What does 1099'd have to do with the OP's question?

 

[vintovka]

"Now that sellers are at risk of being 1099'd. things are changing."

Please explain, plain English, what the above means.

How is that going to impact classifieds here?

What does 1099'd have to do with the OP's question?

If he needs parts or wants to sell online consider this:

https://pages.ebay.com/seller-cente...do these new 1099,your total sales reach $600.

 

[Idaho Ron]

just about the value of the butt plate, trigger group, wedge and plates. and nose cap. the locks sell on Fleabay for up to 200.00 is the most i have seen. the barrel can be shortened and saved if compromised. the stock is marginally salvageable.
but you bought it so work with what is there and you will learn a lot about the gun.

I'm looking at a gun that the breech plug has a gap and not aligned. The stock was butchered. And in my opinion the stock is not salvageable. The butt plate at least for me is not really worth anything since I cut them off. The only thing worth anything is the lock and triggers. These pictures show a broken lock that was not disclosed by the seller.

I brazed it and it worked but it was not worth anything.
With the look of that gun, I still say it is not worth 75 bucks to me.

 

[vintovka]

If i am seeing correctly it looks like a sizeable gap in OPs pic. I would pull the plug anyway and see whats going on.

 

[SDSmlf]

I know of a NIB .54 tc with a crack like yours without any addl inlets.

The stock is an easy fix.

That particular crack is also common when the bolt that holds the lock is over tightened.

What am I missing with some saying this defect is found in NIB guns, common and easy to fix? Someone has removed a chunk of wood from the stock to make room for the sight to be mounted to the side of the barrel. The corner of that cutout for the sight created a stress riser where the crack began. Please post other photographs of this common occurring notch/cutout and show how it’s easy to repair. This photograph is from the OP.

 

[deerstalkert]

I'm looking at a gun that the breech plug has a gap and not aligned. The stock was butchered. And in my opinion the stock is not salvageable. The butt plate at least for me is not really worth anything since I cut them off. The only thing worth anything is the lock and triggers. These pictures show a broken lock that was not disclosed by the seller.

I brazed it and it worked but it was not worth anything.
With the look of that gun, I still say it is not worth 75 bucks to me.

Ron, i was not disagreeing with you, only pointing out the ridiculousness of what stuff is selling on fleabay for.
and like your lock above, you pays yer money and take yer chances! sometimes you get gold other times you get dirt.

 

[sheriff john]

Parts are so high today some are stripping functional firearms, making money on parts. One good thing - at least internet is a source for parts, didn't exist back in the day. Now that the IRS is tracking sales, better to sell to forum members where cash is king.

 

[dave951]

What am I missing with some saying this defect is found in NIB guns, common and easy to fix? Someone has removed a chunk of wood from the stock to make room for the sight to be mounted to the side of the barrel. The corner of that cutout for the sight created a stress riser where the crack began. Please post other photographs of this common occurring notch/cutout and show how it’s easy to repair. This photograph is from the OP.
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As a bit of a woodworker, I say that stock is easy to fix. Remove the sight. Square up the "notch". Cut a piece of wood to fit. Epoxy in place and I'd add a couple internal steel pins for reinforcement. Sand flush with old stock. Refinish. Two hours or so to get to the refinish step.

And no, this is a bubba originated problem but can be fixed. As for the barrel, the depth of the holes drilled would dictate if it can be saved.

 

[vintovka]

The more i look at the OPs pic the more it concerns me. Seen work that come in having been done with a hand drill. Looks like some kind of filler under sight which appear optically misaligned. The plug gap looks bigger each time. No way i would touch that one off with out pulling plug and sight. Even if otherwise OK I would cut and reinstall plug, tenon and rib.

 

[deerstalkert]

the "plug gap" is between the hooked breech and tang. not actually a breech gap. i would guess someone tried fitting a Investarms etc. barrel and hooked breach to a TC tang, or vice versa.
the real ? is the screw holes in the barrel that close to the breech. there is a reason holes and dovetails are forward of the breech a ways. pressures are diminishing as the ball goes forward.

 

[vintovka]

the "plug gap" is between the hooked breech and tang. not actually a breech gap. i would guess someone tried fitting a Investarms etc. barrel and hooked breach to a TC tang, or vice versa.
the real ? is the screw holes in the barrel that close to the breech. there is a reason holes and dovetails are forward of the breech a ways. pressures are diminishing as the ball goes forward.

Youre right !!!!