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HistoryBuff

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I finally got my new fusil to the range today. This was my first time shooting a smoothbore. I went to the TWRA range near Mt.Juliet around noon and fired about 15 rounds and managed a two foot group. I have trouble without a rear sight. The load was 80 grains of Goex 2F with a .600 round ball and Ox-Yoke .010 linen patches.

My biggest problem was pushing crud down to the breach every time I swabbed bettween shots. After about 3 rounds, enough crud would build up to cover the touch hole. How do you guys deal with this? It also took me forever to clean the stuff out of the bottom when I got home.

But overall it was fun. I guess I just need more experience.

HistoryBuff
 
HISTORY BUFF I shoot my 20ga smooth bore with 70gr ff Swiss When I shootin target I clean with wet patch and dry patch between shots. Havent had any problem pushing crud down the barrel maybe its the cleaner burning although more expensive Swiss that makes a difference :confused:
 
HistoryBuff said:
I finally got my new fusil to the range today. This was my first time shooting a smoothbore. I went to the TWRA range near Mt.Juliet around noon and fired about 15 rounds and managed a two foot group. I have trouble without a rear sight. The load was 80 grains of Goex 2F with a .600 round ball and Ox-Yoke .010 linen patches.

My biggest problem was pushing crud down to the breach every time I swabbed bettween shots. After about 3 rounds, enough crud would build up to cover the touch hole. How do you guys deal with this? It also took me forever to clean the stuff out of the bottom when I got home.

But overall it was fun. I guess I just need more experience.

HistoryBuff

A few possibilities to consider:

If you didn't thoroughly clean it all out beforehand, the bore could still have had some residual oils in it from the manufacturing process unless you took some overt action to really clean & leach it all out of the bore ahead of time...that may have contributecd to fouling;

I use Goex about every week and my 2F definitely fouls more than 3F...you might consider switching to 3F to reduce the amount of fouling;

.010" patches don't hold much lube...another possibility might be to try adding an OxYoke wonderwad over the powder which will put more wonderlube into the bore to reduce fouling;

Anyhow...welcome to the madness!
:grin:
 
You might try a jag/cleaning patch combo that puts pressure on the upstroke as it bunches up, many also use 3f in a 20 bore, less fouling, the over powder wad/ball over shot card works well for many as well. You should not have to have a real tight patch and ball combo this will eliminate the need for frequent cleaning twixt shots, smothies are very forgiving.
 
I'm in LaVergne. Have you been out to the Viola Range?

By the way, I was shooting at 25 yards. Pretty bad for a two foot group.

HistoryBuff
 
load right after shooting to try and keep fouling soft while loading.. try .015 and .020 patches.. put a 1/2 inch fiber wad between ball and powder.. fouling ring could be caused by using too much powder, or need to smooth up new bore by fireing quite a few rounds... you shouldnt need to wipe with a smoothbore, but some new guns need to be broken in.. good luck dave.. .. ..
 
HistorBuff,
I put a card wad over the powder and then a half inch fiber wad. I wet the edge of the fiber wad with alcohol/oil soap. It cleans the bore to a nice bright shine on loading every shot. Yes the powder area gets quite dirty but I can shoot a long time before cleaning it. The fiber wad appears to absorb the crud from each preceeding shot instead of pushing it into the powder area.
YHWH bless.
volatpluvia
 
Yer touchhole is probably real close to the end of the breechplug...When using 2fg I have that problem also..........I use 3fg and a nitro wad and a fiber wad soaked in Crisco and squeezed ..........I can absolutly shoot and load to my hearts content........Probably 25 or more shots....Until the 3fg fouling on the face of the breechplug needs scraped because its starting to block the touchhole........
IMHO your patch is too thin without some kind of wad...............Bob
 
HB, nothing special needed. 70 grs. 2F .015 patch wet with spit (not just licked) and you can shoot all day and never clean between shots and no problem cleaning up at the end of the day. Also, I haven't found any other way that was more accurate than this. 25 yds. your gun should be able to put them all in one hole.
 
I took a look down the barrel last night and the touchhole channel is actually IN the breech plug. From the end of the barrel, it appeared as a dark, elongated triangle against the shiny plug face.

HistoryBuff
 
I think roundball may be on to something, in the possibility of residual oils in the breech area. I haven't had any such trouble with my Caywood and the very same load as you. I wipe the bore every 6 shots (end of my loading block) with moosemilk and wipe the pan area with alcohol and clean the touch home. I occasionally (maybe every 20 shots or so) even use a breech brush and breech scraper to make sure there's no gunk building up there.

Baron
 
For what it is worth, I found with my fusil to look over the barrel, not down it to acquire sight picture.

Also found to try a different hold until the sweet spot is found, then always repeat. Sometimes just a slight shift of foot stance and body positioning will yield good results.

Some people never learn to use skeletonal support when shooting offhand, I doubt there are few who can use just their muscles to effect a steady hold. With no rear sight, I use the entire body as sight.
 
I just started using the over powder wads/ cushion wads. I lube mine with olive oil (very lightly) and don't have any fowling problems. With out the lube I can't load a patched ball after a few shots.
 
By the way History Buff where exactly is that range I have family in that area and go just about every year.

Take heart about the grouping...my first groups were about the same...I can now hold most of my shots in a deer kill zone 40 yds offhand.
I am pretty new to smoothbores also. Practice and you will get better very soon. :thumbsup:
 
The TWRA range is on Hobson pike between Antioch and Mt Juliet. The Viola range, which is private, is about halfway between Manchester and McMinville. There is also a little private range near Franklin called Owl Hollow.

HistoryBuff
 
No problem, Swampman. Just PM me a liitle in advance before you come up from the swamp.

HistoryBuff
 
Histrory buff:

First, you have to clean the oil and grease out of the gun before you go to the range. Use alcohol to dissolve the oil and grease, and dry the barrel thoroughly.

Second, it sound like your first loading did not create enough compression for efficient burning. That happened to me 2 years ago when I got my new Fowler. In my case, the barrel was not 20 gauge, but closer to 19 gauge! The wads I had bought were too small to work. And that .600 round ball was just about too small for the gun.

I am using 70 grains( 2 3/4 drams) of 2F powder as my load.( The ball weighs 7/8 oz.) I put a card wad( 19 ga) down on the powder. I then use a 20 ga. cushion wad lubed with moosemilk, and squeezed out, but any liquid cooking oil will work, as suggested already above, and then run the patched ball down on top of the cushion wad. If I was loading shot instead of a round ball, I would run a over- shot card wad on top of the cushion wad, to keep the base of the shot column square to the bore so it exits the barrel at the same time. After I run the patched round ball down on the cushion wad, I lube up a cleaning patch, and run that down the barrel on top of the ball, and back out again. We found from using our chronograph that lubing the barrel helps makes the velocity of each shot about the same, with a lower Standard Deviation in Velocity, to use modern techno-speak, than we got using the same loads, but without lubing the barrel. Got the idea from some fine shooters in Rockford, Illinois who lube their chunk guns that way. Tried it in our rifles, and then for the heck of it, in the fowlers, and found it actually worked in smootbores, too !!

If you don't use the proper wads, you will lose compression, and velocity, and will have problems with incomplete burning, as you now experience. You can use two 1/8 card wads, in the field, for the load I give above, and skip the cushion wad. The velocity, BTW, is at 1050 fps, below the speed of sound. That is just fine, as coming down through the sound barrier does all kinds of nasty things to a round ball, and none of it is good for accuracy. The lack of compression is another reason I think you are having such large groups. The answer is not more powder; it is using card wads under that patched round ball. I would increase patch thickness to .020" and lube with OxYoke 1000 Wonder lube. I have used this for more than 20 years, and have no problems with it. Between shots, you can simply run a brush down the barrel to loosen the crud, and then load the next load. In the field, you won't be shooting that much to worry about how much time it takes to clean between shots. Keep a jag on your wiping stick- I carry mine down my back, held to the body with the strap for my possible bag, and the jag stuck into the small of my back in my jeans- and use a liberal amount of cleaning fluid on a big patch- i use the ones sold for 12 gauge- to wipe out the gunk. Then I run 2 or three dry patches down to dry the barrel completely before loading the next powder charge.

Third: ALWAYS run a vent pick into the vent to make a hole in the main charge so that the flame from your prime is able to reach and ignite multiple granules of powder. The vent pick will also clear that channel you found, keeping the gun one shot dirty at most.

Oh, just so you understand how important using the wads are, my velocity went up 200 fps when I started using the wads ! And standard deviation of velocity dropped to about 20 fps. You can't do better shooting modern shotgun shells !
 

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