RB in a 1in48

I have never tried it but just how accurate will a Patched RB ,shot from a 1 in 48 twist say out @ 50 yds? Has anyone tried it to see just how accurate it was at this range? I know a slower rate of twist like a 1 in 66 is much better , but just courious.

 

[jeepwj992002]

My Traditions Deerhunter has a 24" barrel that has a 1:48 twist. It shoots just fine. I am getting 1 1/4inch groups at 50 yards right now using a .495 RB with a .018 Teflon patch over 60 grns Goex 3F.

 

[Rebel]

They will shoot fine at 50 yds or farther. Just work up the load it likes. You don't even need rifling to shoot out to 50 yds or so. :grin:

 

[bob1961]

here's my last shot in the duel to beat fat jack at 50 yards off hand....

plus it shoots 3" at 100 yards with the 1/48" in my T/C hawkens :v ................bob

 

Thanks for all the inputs guys. The main reason i asked is that I have never tried them in a 1 in 48 .. and the Traditions i am helping the young man put together from a kit is going to be range ready this weekend and I have pounds of RB's for him to shoot. .490 and some .495 . Will try some of both with different thickness patches and see if we can work from say 50 gr 3f up till some kind of an accuracy is obtained. :thumbsup:

 

[bob1961]

my T/C settled on 70 grs goex with T/C's pre-lubed .015 patch and hornady .490 ball if that will help :v ...............bob

 

[bpbrs]

follow this link there are about 3 pages of discussion1-48 links

 

[Slamfire]

With my CVA Bobcat, I've fired several groups in which 2 of the 3 shot shared a single oblong hole, while the other was less than 1/2" away. :winking:

 

[spottedpony]

I've got an investarms .50 hawkin with the 1:48 & with 60 FFg goex or 777 shoots good groups at 50 yds. ive had some groups that're one ragged hole if i do my part. my particular rifle likes a .495/.018 ball/patch combination.

 

[PA16th]

I have a cap lock 1:48 twist Hawken that shoots 1" groups at 50 yards. I use a .490 round ball , .015 patch, and 75 grains of 2ff goex blackpowder. Could shoot better groups if my eyes were younger.

 

[xxgrampa]

greetings wood hick,

first a little info. the twist imparts a spin on the projectile be it ball or conical to stabilize said projectile. because of it's length and weight a conical requires more spin to stabalize.

spin is expressed in revolutions per second (rps) or revolutions per foot (rpf) each projectile has and ideal rps or rpf to stabalize it. now pay attention, this is important..you can change the rps but not the rpf..

if you take a bbl with a so-called round ball twist 1-66 or slower. now drive that rascal with 110 grs powder up to X feet per second, it would not over stabalize. but, slow that rascal down to a 40gr target load for 50yd. and it mite not stabilize.

in the begining it was thought a 1-48 would be a good compromize to shoot both. and it is. for a target load it puts a lot of rps on the ball with less pain to the shoulder and can also handle stiff hunting loads without overstabilizing the ball. does a good job on conicals too. :grin:

now, someone may flame me for this but, imho, unless you are hunting deer size game with a small caliber gun, you would NOT best be served with huge charges and a rb twist. you can get all the rps you need with a 1-48.

..ttfn..grampa..

PS.. i am not 31, but thanks anyway..

PPS.. with a 1-48 you can adjust the rps for diff target distances by changing powder charge.

PPPS.. do have some 1-66 myself

PPPPS.. almost forgot to answer your question.. at 50yd. the 1-48 will be just as accurate or more accurate. because it will group good with less powder than a 1-66. recoil will wear out the 1-66 shooter.

 

[Walks with fire]

This off subject but I have a 1/28 twist flintlock that will shoot one hole about an inch and a quarter across at 50 yards with 60 grains of 2f. My 1/66 twist won't do any better. I don't have a 1/48 twist.

 

[PreglerD]

My .50 Deerhunter with scope shots one hole groups at 50 meters and at 100 meters I get 2'' groups with 3 shots. I have also a Lyman Trade Rifle in .54 with 1in 48'' twist. Shoots at 50 meters 2,5'' groups with 5 shots.

 

[shmrck1]

Woodhick,
You work up the proper load for your particular
barrel and it will shoot just about as good as
the shooter, shooting it.Just wondering what are you shooting now and why?
snake-eyes :hmm:

 

[roundball]

I have never tried it but just how accurate will a Patched RB ,shot from a 1 in 48 twist say out @ 50 yds? Has anyone tried it to see just how accurate it was at this range? I know a slower rate of twist like a 1 in 66 is much better , but just courious.

My experience has been that the difference in accuracy between a 1:48" and a slower twist is only a small matter of degree. While I'm sure competition shooters use the slower twists to squeeze out every possible degree of accuracy they can, either real or imagined, I think 99% of ML RB shooters would be hard pressed to see any practical difference.

My TC 1:48"s have all been extremely accurate and with full power PRB deer hunting loads at that...I bought into the must have RB twist philosophy at first because I didn't know any better and only later did I personally do comparison testing to realize they were not really necessary for any kind of shooting that I do and I'm critical with expectations of my MLs.

I do believe a snug patch/ball combo helps in 1:48's...and I don't mean 'hammer' snug but short starter snug.

 

[boar]

I have two dozen muzzleloaders and I find the .10thousand under bore size ball is alot easier to find a patch to fit the bore. When you only have .5 thousand gap not much to work with. Usualy a .495 ball will have to have a thinner patch to be able to load easy. I have a 54 that you would have to drive a .535 ball in with a hammer with a thin,thin patch. I got a piece of Indian canvas from JoAnn Frabrics that will patch almost every gun I have. It is better then pillow ticking. I have shot lots of RB in the 1-48, killed lot of game. Depends on the depth of rifling how much powder charge you can get by with. Have one gun that claims you can shot 125grs without stripping the ball. Never have tried it.Used 60grs to kill a groundhog. My 32's both have 1-48 and my TC's A lot depends on the bore. Good luck on your test. Dilly

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

My Lyman trade rifle in .50 cal. caplock can cut a playing card in half at 20 yds., and just last Sunday hit a single grape at 25 yds. at a novelty shoot. In both instances the load was 70 gr. 3F Goex...a 370 gr. T/C Maxi-Ball for the playing card and a .490 Hornady ball with a .015 ox-yoke pre-lubed patch for the grape!

A 1 in 48 twist seems to work well enough for me :winking:

At this point, with money being tight, if I ever do decide to buy a flinchlock, it will most probably be a lyman trade rifle as well! Probably stay with the .50 so I can use everything else I own already!

Hope that you have fun with your rifle...Now go out and make some SMOKE .

All the best, Dave

 

[PreglerD]

Hi smokin.50,

you are right. I have a Trade rifle from Lyman in .54 cap, it is called Investarm Hawken here in GE, and I have now ordered a flinter in .50. when I have it i'll give a report including range expirience.

 

[Halftail]

This little fella got a Round ball in the neck at 75 yards with that 1;48 New Englander shown with it..490 Ball and .018 ticking patch and 90 grains of 3f.

 

The young lad who I bought a Traditions Deerhunter 50 cal.cap gun kit for shoveling my walkway and plowing out my driveway all winter will have it range ready this weekend and I have pounds of round balls for him to shoot in it. He refused to take any monies for doing the snow removal so I got him the kit.