Has anyone ever heard of one of these flintlock rifles? I just found out they existed. Are they any good?
Remington 1816 Commemorative Flintlock Rifle
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Hi,they were made in a limited number in 1995 to commemorate the founding of Remington in 1816.50 cal with a 39 inch barrel.One currently going on Gun Broker for 999.No info on who made the barrel or lock, not much info on them at all. Couple on auction went for about 1500 on Guns America.What kinda of price they looking for?
JCJ said:
They are looking at just north of $999.00
I did some research and these rifles were made for Remington by the Hatfield Rifle Company? Said company is no longer in business. Wonder if they built quality M/L? Anyone ever hear of them?
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I bought one around 15 years ago on GB, unfired. Black Powder Hunting magazine had give it a good review several years prior. Open opening the box I found essentially a fancy
Hatfield, which the magazine neglected to mention. The tang was poorly inletted and the barrel was held to the stock with
screws through the thimbles as per "normal" Hatfields. These rifles were way over priced. I bought mine at what I thought was a decent price until I got my hands on it. I never shot it and eventually broke even on it selling it on TOW.
Hatfield, which the magazine neglected to mention. The tang was poorly inletted and the barrel was held to the stock with
screws through the thimbles as per "normal" Hatfields. These rifles were way over priced. I bought mine at what I thought was a decent price until I got my hands on it. I never shot it and eventually broke even on it selling it on TOW.
I don't know how true it is but
Third Edition
Blue Book of
Modern Black
Powder Values®"
says on page 201,
"COMMEMORATIVE FLINTLOCK RIFLE - .50 cal. flintlock, 39 in. barrel, extra fancy curly maple stock, manufactured by Remington Custom Shop. Mfg. 1995.
100% $1,759
98% $1,650
95% $1,500 "
If the rifles were built by the Remington Custom Shop, that in itself would make them rare, even if they were built using Hatfield parts.
In any case, IMO, like all commemorative guns, if the rifle had been shot, any extra value based on where it had been built would go out the window and its value would plummet.
Third Edition
Blue Book of
Modern Black
Powder Values®"
says on page 201,
"COMMEMORATIVE FLINTLOCK RIFLE - .50 cal. flintlock, 39 in. barrel, extra fancy curly maple stock, manufactured by Remington Custom Shop. Mfg. 1995.
100% $1,759
98% $1,650
95% $1,500 "
If the rifles were built by the Remington Custom Shop, that in itself would make them rare, even if they were built using Hatfield parts.
In any case, IMO, like all commemorative guns, if the rifle had been shot, any extra value based on where it had been built would go out the window and its value would plummet.
IF I did buy it, and that is a BIG if. I would shoot it. My pockets are not deep enough to use it as a safe queen or wall hanger.
I have one I bought used from a local gunshop, so I had a chance to see and hold it. An extensive search of the 'net gave me the following:
1816 Remington Commemorative Flintlock
The 1816 Commemorative Flintlock Rifle was priced at $1800.00 originally in 1995 and was produced in very limited numbers. The original reproduction was on display at the 1995 Shot Show in Las Vegas and I'm sure that it is in the Remington Museum. There is some speculation that Remington had the rifles built by the now defunct Hatfield Company but there is no record of this ever happening. Remington can't verify that this ever happened. All the rifle were produced out of the Remington Custom Shop according to the certificate of authenticity. Remington offered a certificate of authenticity for the rifle but you had to send in the application that was included in the rifle package. The certificate verifies it's production date. The rifles were well constructed in the old methods used by Eliphalet Remington II. They used a Ketland style lock which is very robust. The barrel is a 1-66 twist in 50 caliber, designed to shoot a round ball only. I would say that if you’re trying to sell the rifle a good asking price would be between $1800.00 and $2500.00 if its condition is pristine and if you have the certificate of Authenticity.
The "Remington" is very similar to a Hatfield, what with the screws holding the barrel to the stock and the escutcheon plates are glued to the stock encompassing false “barrel” pins. They are just decorations. That makes me suspicious of the following statement about the rifle:
"1816 Remington Commemorative Flintlock Muzzleloading Rifle. This rifle was reproduced by the Remington Custom Shop in 1995, in very limited numbers. The rifles were made in the old methods handed down by Eliphalet Remington II. It has a 1-66 twist and is in 50 cal. Some uninformed individuals,think that Remington contracted out the production of these firearms. This is untrue. All of the rifles produced were by Remington. None of these rifle were made exactly alike, so you can have the pleasure of knowing that you'll own a very distinctive rifle. They were produced in very small numbers, said to be less than 750 total. I believe they sold for about $1600. This rifle has never been fired and has been handled very little. I did not grade as new because it has been handled. Additionally, it comes with a certificate of authenticity which verifies it's originality and all the appropriate paperwork of purchase."
That said, the Remington in my hands has a very nice, high grade striped maple stock. The lock seems to be of a high quality, although I never have shot the rifle.
Some have said that Remington made barrels for others and never made a complete 1816 flintlock. I will leave that discussion to others better versed in the history of Mr. Remington.
Ron
1816 Remington Commemorative Flintlock
The 1816 Commemorative Flintlock Rifle was priced at $1800.00 originally in 1995 and was produced in very limited numbers. The original reproduction was on display at the 1995 Shot Show in Las Vegas and I'm sure that it is in the Remington Museum. There is some speculation that Remington had the rifles built by the now defunct Hatfield Company but there is no record of this ever happening. Remington can't verify that this ever happened. All the rifle were produced out of the Remington Custom Shop according to the certificate of authenticity. Remington offered a certificate of authenticity for the rifle but you had to send in the application that was included in the rifle package. The certificate verifies it's production date. The rifles were well constructed in the old methods used by Eliphalet Remington II. They used a Ketland style lock which is very robust. The barrel is a 1-66 twist in 50 caliber, designed to shoot a round ball only. I would say that if you’re trying to sell the rifle a good asking price would be between $1800.00 and $2500.00 if its condition is pristine and if you have the certificate of Authenticity.
The "Remington" is very similar to a Hatfield, what with the screws holding the barrel to the stock and the escutcheon plates are glued to the stock encompassing false “barrel” pins. They are just decorations. That makes me suspicious of the following statement about the rifle:
"1816 Remington Commemorative Flintlock Muzzleloading Rifle. This rifle was reproduced by the Remington Custom Shop in 1995, in very limited numbers. The rifles were made in the old methods handed down by Eliphalet Remington II. It has a 1-66 twist and is in 50 cal. Some uninformed individuals,think that Remington contracted out the production of these firearms. This is untrue. All of the rifles produced were by Remington. None of these rifle were made exactly alike, so you can have the pleasure of knowing that you'll own a very distinctive rifle. They were produced in very small numbers, said to be less than 750 total. I believe they sold for about $1600. This rifle has never been fired and has been handled very little. I did not grade as new because it has been handled. Additionally, it comes with a certificate of authenticity which verifies it's originality and all the appropriate paperwork of purchase."
That said, the Remington in my hands has a very nice, high grade striped maple stock. The lock seems to be of a high quality, although I never have shot the rifle.
Some have said that Remington made barrels for others and never made a complete 1816 flintlock. I will leave that discussion to others better versed in the history of Mr. Remington.
Ron
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Guys, at a large gun show in Oaks, Pa., this very weekend, a dealer has one NIB at $2200. He has a genuine auction sale report of one going for $4800.! Yes, 4800, but that had to be two guys bidding on something in a crazed state of mind. The rifle looks nice, and I googled it today 2/12/22 just to see if any mfgr. info was available. It looks like a good shooter, if I had one I'd use it, not lock in a safe.
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I did hear of H
I did hear of Hatfield some years back, they made desirable guns. I would easily pay a grand for one of the Rem commems.
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I have one # 424. It shoots very well . They have a decent lock the rifling is very good.
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They only made a few of them. I got this one at a good price. Man did not know what he had. Its owner did not know how to clean it . I took a chance the rifling was good no damage. When working up to the amount of powder the rifle likes and with good balls. Seated right it is as accurate as any other muzzle loading rifle. And some of them are very accurate.
