Removable Touch-hole Liner on Kibler?

[skyhigh315]

Hi,

I'm about to pull the trigger on a Kibler Colonial. I've watched all the available YouTube on the builds, and I notice the permanent placement of the touch-hole liner. On most of my factory-built rock-locks, the liner is removable. I like this. Is there any downside to grinding a slot and making the liner serviceable on my Colonial?

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

There is absolutely no reason to ever remove a touch hole liner unless it needs replaced.

 

[skyhigh315]

There is absolutely no reason to ever remove a touch hole liner unless it needs replaced.

Hmm...

Well, color me a screw-up, then. I've been removing mine for cleaning about every-other-time I've cleaned my rifle for the last 35 year....

 

[HSmithTX]

If you install it with anti-seize you can easily remove it when it's time, whether it has a slot or not. If it doesn't have a slot use a screw extractor.

 

[dave_person]

Hmm...

Well, color me a screw-up, then. I've been removing mine for cleaning about every-other-time I've cleaned my rifle for the last 35 year....

Hi,
It is not a screw up but you have been doing so unnecessarily for 35 years. The liners on the Kiblers are deeply coned inside so you cannot cut a very deep slot into the outside of the liner. Moreover, there is no need to remove them. They clean up just fine without taking them out.

dave

 

[skyhigh315]

Hi,
It is not a screw up but you have been doing so unnecessarily for 35 years. The liners on the Kiblers are deeply coned inside so you cannot cut a very deep slot into the outside of the liner. Moreover, there is no need to remove them. They clean up just fine without taking them out.

dave

Thanks,

I guess force-of-habit perhaps. I've always been a little hesitant about threaded steel parts exposed to water seizing up with rust over time. I take the liner out and clean it like any other moving part. Consequently, the liner is as bright and shiny in my Pedersoli rifles as they day I got them. It's hard for me to imagine not doing that, but if I'm wasting time/effort, maybe I have to revisit that.

 

[Col. Batguano]

I believe the White Lightning liners are stainless steel. I've never removed one.

Question; for those that HAVE removed a liner after it's been in there for a long time, did you have any particular difficulty in doing so? Oxidized iron and steel will take up more physical space than unoxidized metal, which can sometimes make loosening difficult. (Point of reference; we've all had to deal with nuts and bolts that have rusted together. Sometimes the bolts just shear off when trying to unstick things.)

 

[nchawkeye]

You have been removing on factory guns, most well built custom flintlocks have non removable liners...

I have a Bob Watts custom I bought in 1977, never remove the barrel from the stock nor the liner...It's not necessary for a properly built flintlock...

 

[64Springer]

Thanks,

I guess force-of-habit perhaps. I've always been a little hesitant about threaded steel parts exposed to water seizing up with rust over time. I take the liner out and clean it like any other moving part. Consequently, the liner is as bright and shiny in my Pedersoli rifles as they day I got them. It's hard for me to imagine not doing that, but if I'm wasting time/effort, maybe I have to revisit that.

Damn Skippy.

If it has threads and is exposed to water and BP fouling it gets removed, cleaned, dried and reinstalled after anti-seize is applied to the threads.

 

[erhunter]

I like removing the liner and nipple on my rifles with a patent breach just to get more water flow through that tight area of the barrel so I get good ignition.

 

[skyhigh315]

You have been removing on factory guns, most well built custom flintlocks have non removable liners...

I have a Bob Watts custom I bought in 1977, never remove the barrel from the stock nor the liner...It's not necessary for a properly built flintlock...

Ha!

That sounds amazing. If I tried that, I imagine I'd pull the barrel off and find a whole next of rust monsters living in there. I get water everywhere when I clean, so my rifles usually get broken completely down and cleaned after every outing.

 

[James Kibler]

Yes, no need to remove a liner. We often have this question. Not sure why it is such a prevalent belief? Thanks to Mike, Dave and others for helping out.

Jim

 

[skyhigh315]

Yes, no need to remove a liner. We often have this question. Not sure why it is such a prevalent belief? Thanks to Mike, Dave and others for helping out.

Jim

Welp. There it is, then!

 

[skyhigh315]

Just paid the invoice and my kit is ready to ship! Colonial in .54 with Extra Fancy maple Now the part I hate..... waiting and watching the pot not boil....

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Damn Skippy.

If it has threads and is exposed to water and BP fouling it gets removed, cleaned, dried and reinstalled after anti-seize is applied to the threads.

So, I assume you take your breech plug out every time you clean?

 

[Kevin Houlihan]

skyhigh315,​

I have a smoothbore that I built in 1994 that I've not had the liner or barrel out of, ever... As others have said, there is no need.
Good luck,
Kevin

 

[waksupi]

You have higher pressure wash when keeping vents and nipples in place. Think of garden hose with nozzle. Better cleaning.

 

[TDM]

Hmm...

Well, color me a screw-up, then. I've been removing mine for cleaning about every-other-time I've cleaned my rifle for the last 35 year....

As said, it’s not a screw-up, just unnecessary. I used to take mine out every cleaning. Even unpinned the barrels. It was hard to change, since I started with hooked breach ML’s. But it truly is unnecessary and causes excess wear and tear. My flints clean up fine without the extra steps.

 

[squirehawk1774]

Think about this. Do you pull your breech plug and clean it? It has threads also and more surface area for corrosion. If the breech plug doesn't need to be pulled the vent liner shouldn't need it.

 

[Art Caputo]

I might be wrong, but I’ve always thought the slotted liner was a result of the early, mass produced ML manufacturers desire to keep production costs down. The OEM’d liners were supplied to them by size, and just screwed into the finished barrel. Of course, the shooters felt that the slot was put their for the purpose of thorough cleaning and it soon became a standard. I used to take mine out, decades ago, but found it to be unnecessary, and more trouble/time then it was worth.