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GunnyGene

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I have an 1880's double with damascus barrels (BP cartridge gun), and would like any info regarding restoring the figure on the barrels. Not looking for an acid etch or anything that I can't do in my shop. Advise, etc. appreciated.
 
What do you mean restore? Restore to original appearance or restore to shooting condition?

Old Damascus can be a crap shoot as to safety. Some have rust in between the layers of iron and steel and some don't. If you are going to shoot it you might have to line it.
 
I, too, have a vintage double barrel shotgun with laminated steel barrels. It is in excellent condition and I did not want to completely refinish the barrels since they have such a nice patina. I simply carefully buffed them with 0000 steel wool that was well lubricated with motor oil. I then degreased them and gave them a nice coat of Renaissance Wax. The lamination pattern really popped without removing any of the patina. It is a beautiful shotgun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlToim_s0c0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OZagOg2Bek
 
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One thing you can do to find voids in the barrels is to remove barrels from gun, plug breach, fill barrels with penatrating oil stand vertical for two weeks and observe the out sides of the barrels for leakage. This is not 100% proof that the barrels are OK but it will tell you if there are major voids in them. Tread carefully - the life you save maybe your own :bow: .
 
I might be wrong but I think some folks put in liners and move down to a smaller gauge.
 
You are correct - but if the OP wants to find out if the barrels are worth saving he has to start by checking out the integrity of the barrels and last effort would be to line them - again my opinion :v .
 
That is a VERY good link. Covers most everything, but of course they could not cover all the time and subsequent rustings/cardings/boilings, though they do mention them.

Back in the 80's a retired Marine Major brought a cheap Belgium Damascus double barrel into the shop that he wanted work on. I always got the call to "work on anything OLD" and the Major and I knew each other personally from NSSA and other activities. When he pulled the gun out of the case, the barrels were "Crusty Rusty." When I saw that, I said, "You are NOT going to shoot this are you?!!" He chuckled and said he was not, but he wanted a gun to show Hunter Education students what Damascus barrels looked like. However, you could not see the pattern for the crusty rust and that was the problem he wanted corrected. OK, if you are not going to shoot this, I can definitely do some things to this for an "Example Gun."

We walked back to the Bead Blaster and I reduced the pressure down and then back up to where it JUST took off the crusty rust to bare metal on about 3/4" of length of the barrels. When I pulled them out of the Blast Cabinet, the Major said, "But you can't see the pattern!" I replied, "Sir, forget about being a shooter for a minute and think back to your Ordnance days. (He was a Mustang Major.) I am not done!"

Then I put on a pair of the heavy rubber gloves we used for hot bluing and went over to small/long tub of Muriatic (Brick Cleaning) Acid we used to "strike" the surface of the SS Sniper rifle barrels before bluing. I wiped some acid on the now bare metal and let it stand for about 15 seconds while I walked to the deep sink. When the acid had JUST etched the barrels enough to see the pattern, I flushed them with hot water. The Major started to reach for the barrels, but I whisked them away and told him I was not done.

Then I grabbed my bottle of Birchwood Casey Hot Brown solution and the acetylene torch and browned about 1/4 of the length of the barrels near the "crusty rusty" part. I put just enough of that solution and heated it so that part of the barrels were brown and you could still see the pattern. The Major began to reach for them and I said, "Sir, not YET!"

Then I took the barrels to my bench and used Cold Blue on the last 1/4 length of the barrels near the muzzle. Three or four coats got them to a decent and rather flat blue. The Major looked at me and I just shook my head no with a grin on my face. Then I carded the crusty rusty and the area of the barrel I had browned with steel wool and oil. Then I gave the barrels a good coat of "Rust Veto" penetrating oil and wiped them down. Then I pulled out some car wax and waxed the barrels and wiped/buffed that off with a terry cloth rag.

THEN I gave the barrels back to the Major and told him the barrels now showed just about any condition that Hunter Ed students may see Damascus barrels in - from Crusty Rusty to Brown to Bare Metal to Blue. He was delighted and used that gun for many years to teach Hunter Ed students.

Of course I would NOT have used a bead blaster even on a low setting for a set of Damascus barrels that one would actually want to shoot. Too much risk of "blowing through" any soft spots.

Gus
 
All: Thanks for all the replies, including a couple PM's. I have no plans to shoot this gun, strictly a wall hanger. This is a pretty inexpensive project gun that I've been meaning to get to for a few years.

The goal is only to bring out the figure on the barrels (and some minor wood repair, which I can handle no problem).

I've never tackled this kind of thing with Damascus before so consider me to be a complete idiot regarding how to bring the barrels back to life. :wink:

I will take the time to followup on any and all suggestions, links, technical details, etc. and I do appreciate the help. :)

Y'all are great guys. :)
 
I know you mentioned that you are not looking for an acid etch but I have a gun I am planning on doing the same thing to and under the forearm I tested a section with good results by using an etching acid I bought at radio shack for 12 bucks. As as mentioned in another post I degreased and rust browned the area then carded back with steel wool. Then wiped the etch on with cotton swab for about 10 seconds until I saw the pattern appear then I wiped off and applied an oil then wax and results were very pleasing.
 
If it was mine the most aggressive thing I would do would be to use thin oil, denim and a lot of elbow grease to scour as much of the loose dirt and rust off of the barrel as possible.

To me, the Damascus barrels fine spiral twists of varying colors/darknesses are worth saving if it is at all possible.

Acids, Bases, bead/shot or sand blasting, sanding and scraping will all remove these fine markings and once gone they are about impossible to replace.

 
I don't know Jim, seems like when originally made it would have been struck smooth and browned or left to form it's own oxide finish which revealed the present patterns of dissimilar oxidation,no?
One of the positives I have discovered for rust bluing, browning or case coloring is that a beaded finish makes them more receptive to oxidation be it chemical or natural.
I would expect the pattern in Damascus oxidation to be accentuated but have not had opportunity to test the idea.
 
Nice gun :thumbsup:

PCB Etchant from Radio Shack works for me to restore the pattern on Damascus steel

Etchant

It works very well but it’s not for everyone.
You could hurt yourself if not careful.


William Alexander
 
I have to go along with Zonie about this. If the denim doesn't work a light a buffing with oil & 0000 steel wool both should bring out the pattern in Damascus barrels. More aggressive measures could be tried if that didn't work but they would not be my first choice.
 
Artificer, if the late Marine Major was J. L. I knew him quite well. A true Officer and a Gentleman. We taught VA. Hunter Safety and other NRA courses together though I don't remember the shotgun. As I read your posts I wonder if our paths haven't crossed at Ft. Shenandoah.
 
Gunny Gene,

Sorry I have not replied earlier. My computer locked up and I thought I had lost a lot of things I was typing. However, while I was typing, it occurred to me that the FIRST thing to try "By the Numbers" was Billnpatti's suggestion. Now Zonie has suggested a technique I had not thought of by using the denim.

The best general rule of restoration work is to do AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE to get results you want.

So I second/third or whatever the recommendation to try Zonie's Denim technique first and if that does not work, then try BillnPatti's technique of using the 0000 steel wool and oil.

If those don't work, then I'll add some suggestions/tips on doing a mild acid etch that you can do safely at home and without using as many gadgets as in the VERY well done video by Midway USA linked above.

So let us know how these first two suggestions work out for you.

Semper Fi, my Brother,
Gus
 
Indeed it was J.L. !! OMG, PLEASE don't tell me that after that work - J.L. did not actually use that gun for Hunter Ed! :haha:

Your face in your Avatar looks familiar from NSSA events, will send you a Private Message.

Gus
 
My apologies, I don’t always make myself clear.

I do that to restore the pattern on Damascus steel when the pattern is completely gone.



William Alexander
 
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