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Well I agree with the original question. You would think greater quantities of rice would have been carried by the frontiersmen but it is absent. It seems to have been more popular in Canada but what they call "rice" might have been wild rice. Maybe there was storage issues or they thought maize was better food. I used to do a lot of canoe travel in Canada and the universal staple food was rice. Plus the bannock.
I now live in the south east and got going on "hoe cakes", corn meal, a little white flour to hold it together, baking powder- fried in bacon fat. I wonder why it wasn't used in by frontiersmen. A lot of them had bacon or pork.
On the indigo, around the low country of South Carolina they grew rice until the Houston area got going and did it cheaper and then South Carolina switched to indigo until chemical dyes were developed.
 
crockett said:
I now live in the south east and got going on "hoe cakes", corn meal, a little white flour to hold it together, baking powder- fried in bacon fat. I wonder why it wasn't used in by frontiersmen. A lot of them had bacon or pork.
It was....
Cornmeal was a staple.

Baking powder was not available until ~1843. Availability of bacon & pork was variable, so to assume everyone had it would be a mistake. That said, it was more likely the fried hoe-cakes were made at home and carried with - nothing indicates the presence of man in the woods like the smell of frying bacon. Ashcakes were more likely a trail food - all one requires is cornmeal, water and a fire.
 
I find rice mentioned quite often in ads of the 18th century, offering it for sale in the civilized parts, but seem to have only one reference to its being eaten on the trail. In the spring of 1775, James Nourse traveled down the Ohio River in a dugout canoe to Harrodsburg on the very early Kentucky frontier, and in his journal he mentions having "rice broth" for supper one night.

Spence
 
You would think greater quantities of rice would have been carried by the frontiersmen but it is absent. It seems to have been more popular in Canada but what they call "rice" might have been wild rice. Maybe there was storage issues or they thought maize was better food.

Rice was like "gold"...not something one would purchase for a frontier trek.. The vast majority of rice was exported to Europe...
The East India trading company imported lots of food items to Europe including rice... Indian (from India) rice was very popular in Europe along with Indian curries and cuisine..
Rice grown in the colonies was cheaper and closer to obtain.
 
Spence10 said:
I find rice mentioned quite often in ads of the 18th century, offering it for sale in the civilized parts, but seem to have only one reference to its being eaten on the trail. In the spring of 1775, James Nourse traveled down the Ohio River in a dugout canoe to Harrodsburg on the very early Kentucky frontier, and in his journal he mentions having "rice broth" for supper one night.

Spence
Interesting!...That's a long way from rice country too....
 
One must remember that rice was cultivated during the colonial period pretty much only in South Carolina, and Georgia, moving North into North Carolina over time. Rice requires a lot of regulated water to be cultivated as well as certain changes to the land, that slash and burn agriculture does not provide....but did work for corn. They also needed people with the knowledge of rice cultivation.

The first record for North America dates from 1685, when the crop was produced on the coastal lowlands and islands of what is now South Carolina. It is thought that slaves from West Africa who were transported to the Carolinas in the mid-18th century introduced the complex agricultural technology needed to grow rice.

In the United States, colonial South Carolina and Georgia grew and amassed great wealth from the slave labor obtained from the Senegambia area of West Africa and from coastal Sierra Leone. At the port of Charleston, through which 40% of all American slave imports passed, slaves from this region of Africa brought the highest prices, in recognition of their prior knowledge of rice culture, which was put to use on the many rice plantations around Georgetown, Charleston, and Savannah. From the enslaved Africans, plantation owners learned how to dyke the marshes and periodically flood the fields. At first the rice was milled by hand with wooden paddles, then winnowed in sweetgrass baskets (the making of which was another skill brought by slaves from Africa). The invention of the rice mill increased profitability of the crop, and the addition of water power for the mills in 1787 by millwright Jonathan Lucas was another step forward. Rice culture in the southeastern U.S. became less profitable with the loss of slave labor after the American Civil War, and it finally died out just after the turn of the 20th century. Today, people can visit the only remaining rice plantation in South Carolina that still has the original winnowing barn and rice mill from the mid-19th century at the historic Mansfield Plantation in Georgetown, South Carolina. The predominant strain of rice in the Carolinas was from Africa and was known as "Carolina Gold." The cultivar has been preserved and there are current attempts to reintroduce it as a commercially grown crop.
Excerpted from Ricepedia: History of Rice Cultivation

So they needed abundant water and low lying areas at first, since terracing was out of the question without a much larger labor force.

So I'd propose that a lot of folks had less access to rice the farther from the coast that the lived and worked. Maryland, for example in the archives, doesn't mention rice that isn't imported, until during the AWI. Even then it's not a large part of rations, for Maryland Marines were issued rations thus:


Resolved That the Rations for the Marines in the Service of this Province be according as is expressed in the following...,


Sunday 1 lb. each, Bread, Beef, Turnips, Potatoes, onions

Monday 1 lb. each, Bread, Pork, a half-pint of Pease, 4 oz. Cheese

Tuesday 1 lb. each, Beef, Pudding

Wednesday 1 lb. each Bread and Pork, a half-pint Rice, 2 oz. Butter, 4 oz. Cheese

Thursday 1 lb. each, Bread and Pork, a half-pint Pease

Friday 1 lb. each, Bread and Beef, Pudding

Saturday 1 lb. each, Bread and Pork, a half-pint Pease, 4 oz. Cheese.

PLUS

Half a pint of Rum per Man per Day, and discretionary Allowance for particular Occasions, such as Action, extra Duty, and the like: Three pints of Vinegar for six men per week.


So we see how little of the ration was rice.

LD
 
Resolved That the Rations for the Marines in the Service of this Province be according as is expressed in the following...,

Sunday 1 lb. each, Bread, Beef, Turnips, Potatoes, onions

Monday 1 lb. each, Bread, Pork, a half-pint of Pease, 4 oz. Cheese

Tuesday 1 lb. each, Beef, Pudding

Wednesday 1 lb. each Bread and Pork, a half-pint Rice, 2 oz. Butter, 4 oz. Cheese

Thursday 1 lb. each, Bread and Pork, a half-pint Pease

Friday 1 lb. each, Bread and Beef, Pudding

Saturday 1 lb. each, Bread and Pork, a half-pint Pease, 4 oz. Cheese.

PLUS

Half a pint of Rum per Man per Day, and discretionary Allowance for particular Occasions, such as Action, extra Duty, and the like: Three pints of Vinegar for six men per week.


So we see how little of the ration was rice.

LD

Little rice....Yes!
But no corn... :shocked2:
 
Well one thing any person could clear a plot of land and grown corn. Most eastern tribes and a lot of western tribes grew corn. Rice on the other hand requires a paddy to grow in. Thinking as I was writing this, I think of Mennomini and wild rice. I don't know what's it's range was as it doesn't grow here, I think it's interesting that historicly we see it in a limited area.
 
tenngun said:
Well one thing any person could clear a plot of land and grown corn. Most eastern tribes and a lot of western tribes grew corn. Rice on the other hand requires a paddy to grow in. Thinking as I was writing this, I think of Mennomini and wild rice. I don't know what's it's range was as it doesn't grow here, I think it's interesting that historicly we see it in a limited area.

It's not a "one versus the other" topic.


I think it's interesting that historically we see it in a limited area.

No more different than oranges, and a lot of other crops....I don't ever recall eating cranberries from South Carolina....
 
I didn't mean to say it was a one vs the other, that wasn't what I was thinking. Was just pointing out that rice would be an import over much of early America, while corn could be had just about every where. Even if it was imported from our own coast.
The same could be said for many European grains, that you could get a crop of corn before you could clear enough land for wheat.
The thing I found interesting about wild rice is I don't recall seeing it used outside of the great lakes area until the 20th century. :idunno:
 
colorado clyde said:
A half pint of uncooked rice will feed 3 people for a meal.


And that makes you think :hmm: A haversack full of rice would take you farther then corn. Rice and dried peas would be a lot of calories per pound.
 
potato store well but are heavy and bulky...but sliced they dry well. I dry them and carry them on treks with some dry meat to make up a hash, they cook up fast. New England ships were packing dried taters before the revolution, again a lot of calories in a little weight.
 
tenngun said:
colorado clyde said:
A half pint of uncooked rice will feed 3 people for a meal.


And that makes you think :hmm: A haversack full of rice would take you farther then corn. Rice and dried peas would be a lot of calories per pound.
And it's more nutritious....as corn without the addition of lime causes illness.
 
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