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Ballistic gel would be the best repeatable test.
If the paper is shot more than once the bullets would have a tunnel to travel down.
Also if you want to send me some samples of your lead I can test it for you for hardness. The hardness of your bullets will affect the outcome of the test. Typical soft lead will not penetrate as far as alloyed lead. Ron
 
Idaho Ron said:
Ballistic gel would be the best repeatable test.
If the paper is shot more than once the bullets would have a tunnel to travel down.

Thanks for the compliment but are you assuming I could hit the same hole twice? :haha:

Actually I'm thinking of a fairly large container so I could get all my shots in exactly the same media.
 
Idaho Ron said:
If the paper is shot more than once the bullets would have a tunnel to travel down.

Another problem is at certain velocities wet paper produces erratic results. May not be a problem for ML RB's, but cartridge rifles testing roundnose solids had stability problems and penetration decreasing with more velocity.

The theory was the paper's resistance was changing with velocity, depending how much it compressed/piled up in the bullets path.

A lot of guys used ply stacked between water jugs in the end.Just a thought.

Karl.
 
Would be neat to see comprehensive penetration test results.

I remember reading medical reports from the 1885 Métis uprising in Canada. The army doctors said the wounds received from the roundball muzzleloaders used by many of the Métis produced more horrible wounds than those from bullets used in cartridge rifles.
 
Looks like pretty good watermelon penetration here: :grin:

.50 Caliber Muzzleloader VS. A Watermelon

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMXc3bdH78g[/youtube]
 
Check out tnoutdoors9 channel on youtube, he uses some awesome ballistic gel and shows the cavity and everything! I think that is but that a penetratoon test.
 
I will put my Penney on the large ball penetrating deeper. I have yet to recover a .58 ball shot out of my hawken with a 100gr load of 1f I use for hunting that even went through both shoulder blades and the spine on a 235pound field dressed Buck and a Buff shot at 80 yards that kicked up sand passing through one rib and taking out both lungs putting him down with one clean shot.
I have had several balls under the hide the deer I shot on the far side using the .45.
 
At the grocery and drug stores I see a lot of phone books in displays to just pick up and take home. Grab a couple of dozen and try them out. I have always used dry phone books because 1) I didn't want the mess 2) The soaked books were going to be heavy and 3) What the heck it is all going to be relative anyway.

If a 58 shoots farther into a phone book than a 45 than the results would be legitimate whether the phone book is wet or dry.

Many Klatch
 
Well, OK. But if you soak those books in water until the binders in the paper turns to jelly then it's going to be a medium that reacts pretty much like flesh. It won't be like an animal with changes back and forth in densities and bones thrown in but it will give you an inkling of reactions.
 
YEP,if you want to test a round ball, get a pig or cow at the slaughterhouse. Photograph the results (be sure to get 5 or so to validate your tests), take the results home and enjoy with friends and family.

Be certain to record the distance shot, the ball diameter, and powder charge. FBI did this 50 or so years ago with various pistol cartridges. Recorded shot placement, and how long the critter stood before collapsing, test results were published as "relative stopping power." PETA would go nutz today, but info invaluable. Todays ballistic gelatin is much easier to handle.
 
Mountainman56 said:
I’m planning a roundball penetration test in the next couple weeks. I intend to test a .45, a .50 and a .54 calibre. Each one will be fired from a 32” barrel. I’d like to try a couple more calibres as well but I can’t convince my bride I need two more rifles right away. My idea is to make a container that I will fill with newspapers and water. The end I shoot through will be cardboard that I can replace each shot. I think this should give a pretty good idea on the difference in penetration. What do y’all think?

Also do you think I should go for similar velocity (I do have a chronograph) or the same powder charge, say 80 grains in each?

What range would be most representative of the average distance most people shoot?

Unless the water content is the same for every shot the results will not be valid. When shooting wet phone books/newsprint you only have a couple of minutes before the water content changes enough to vary the results. So I used to shoot about 4 shots a few inches apart in a short time
Better way is to use 10% gelatine but this is supposed to be calibrated and shot at a specific temp to be "standard" and it takes a lot of gelatine to make a block to shoot and its only good for one shot. To me its not worth the trouble and cost.
Another way is a baffle board made of 1/2 plywood spaced maybe 2" apart. It will give relative penetration of various loads. If 24" square its large enough to shoo at 200 yards.
RB penetration in deer is usually about 30" at velocitys over 1300-1400 if no large bones are broken.
In my testing years ago with 1/2" plywood baffle boards I found that a 50 caliber rifle ball will shoot through a deer's chest at 200 yards on broadside shots at least to the far side hide if not full penetration. This based on comparing the 25 yard penetration of a FL pistol I had shot a deer and an Antelope with. The pistol at 800 fps penetrated 4 boards. I wrote it up for the Buckskin report years ago, to many years ago I think :haha:
Its a fun project. I had read that the paper needed to be set in place, (I used a long cardboard box with a plastic garbage bag in it) stack the paper in so it is neither loose or tight then fill the bag with water and let soak. Check in an hour or two to make sure there is enough water. Haul to the range the next day and place to shoot (or you can do it all in place if you live someplace where you can shoot filling the bag with a garden hose.). Cut a lower corner of the bag and let drain. Shoot when the water flow slows to the point that there is no standing water in the bag. Standing water will overly expand the projectiles and/or change the penetration. I have never done wet paper tests with a RB that I recall unless it was a percussion revolver.

Dan
 
Even with all that and perfect uniformity in the tests, it does not take into account the various nervous and circulatory systems of the game. Years ago, I knew a guy that routinely harvested a multitude of wild rabbits annually with a pump up pellet gun, yet he swore that squirrels were a much tougher kill, such that he would not normally attempt shooting a squirrel with the pellet gun.

To hear some guys here in PA, deer are tougher than Bison and require loads equivalent to those used on African dangerous game just to get a blood trail. My personal experience is as advised by Long John Silver in Treasure Island, that a large ball and moderate powder charge kills just fine.
 
You got within 25 yards of an antelope and took it with a flintlock pistol? Presuming it wasn't tied to a stake or already dead, holy cow, or bull, whichever it was -- that's something!
 
I've been within 10 yards of Buck antelope while bowhunting. They were in rut, and in both cases ran up to me in the oak brush, when they heard me walking. Didn't have an antelope tag, but could easily have killed both with a longbow.
Hunt the right place, terrain, and time; and it's very do-able.
 
Buddy uses old Indian trick for antelope with muzzle loader. Gets in middle of field they known to be n before sunrise and sits there still as possible. Every 15 minutes he takes f his hat and waves it twice and sits still. Says the antelope, being very curious, just HAVE to see what the heck is out there and mill within range regularly. I would need a blind myself.
 
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