WANTED Sante Fe or Ithaca Hawken

[akroguy]

Can't go wrong with a Lyman GPR. Certainly easier to find.

 

[BP Addict]

Walt,
I don’t have a Santa Fe or Ithaca, but what you might be interested in is a Cherry Cornes kit that I bought, unassembled, from Bret Selb and sent to John Bergmann for assembly. It‘s 54 cal, percussion, full stock with a really nice piece of maple. It has the Cherry Corner locks (Cherry Corner was bought out by Ithaca as you probably know in the late 70’s as I recall. My old huntin pard had an Ithaca Hawken and I let get away from me when he passed away in 1980.) Anyway if you think you might be interested, let me know and I can send you some photos of the rifle, she has a few hunting “scars” but nothing serious, just a few scratches and scrapes. Bore is excellent (Douglass barrel I believe) and she shoots good. Only thing I would do is remove the set trigger screw and shorten it a bit, just never gotten around to it!
Let me know at your convenience if you want some photos.
Best Regards,
Bob “Foolishhand” Shape

PS- Also have a GRRW Leman in 54 that I might part with if that interests you at all….

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Thanks!

Walt

 

[BP Addict]

I have a Santa Fe marked 54 but is a 53 I might sell. I shot club matches and Rendezvous years ago with it and won lots of prizes but it’s just to heavy for me now.

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Thanks!

Walt

 

[BP Addict]

Can't go wrong with a Lyman GPR. Certainly easier to find.

They are the closest thing to a Hawken for a production gun and very accurate! I was looking for something that looks more like an original but in 1" (some kits are 1 1/16" and 1 1/8", too heavy!).

I'm not sure about that. Lyman went with Pedersoli and all the Investarms GPRs are disappearing off the shelves. However, they (Investarms) are selling them as a "Gemmer" Hawken, now.

Thanks!

Walt

 

[Larry P]

Track of the wolf offered a Santa fe hawkens rifle in kit form back in the eighties with a really nice piece of wood. I bought one of these and it has been a great shooter and I still have it to this day. If you can find one you can't go wrong. At that time you could buy one as a kit for only $250. I wish I had bought a dozen at that time.

 

[LME]

LME,
I believe only Navy Arms made the Hawken in 54 caliber after Navy purchased the rights from Ithaca. Could be wrong, but I think that’s correct. So if your rifle is an Ithaca mfg rifle (or kit) it is probably 50 caliber. Please correct me if I’m wrong, cause it happens all the time, at least that’s what I am told……

Mine is a Navy Arms. I bought two of them and was told by the company that they were the only two left and no more would be made by them? This was in 1985. This is what is stamped on the barrel,""""Navy Arms Co. Ridgefield NJ., 8681 54 cal. ,Ithaca/navy Hawkin, A. Uberti & C. Gardone V.T. Italy . The Uberti Gardone stamp is of a different font from the rest of the information? It could be these rifles were made from stock shipped over with dies and parts when they started making these rifles and added their name? One thing that has stumped me to this day is the rifles were well made and fit and finish was superb but the muzzles on both rifles were not crowned nor browned? I had to do it in my shop. Anyone know why?

 

[unclelouie]

Were the Ithaca rifles offered in .54 calibre? All the ones I owned, sold, or ever ran across were only .50 calibre.

the prototype i bought in the 70's was 50 cal. i put a 58 cal. barrel on it to lighten it up. still shoot it. but, i have a uberti 53cal. and a santa fe 54 cal. and a sharon 54 cal. not much difference in all of them. They all copied the Kit Carson rifle. but the Sharon is a touch different. I wont sell the ithaca. the Uberti is a prototype. it was when Aldo Uberti made 1000 of them in around 1978. After that they were produced and called the Santa fe. Uberti perfectly copied Kit Carsons. My understanding they all used the same pattern.

 

[unclelouie]

Found this in another Thread:

"The Ithaca Hawken had a pretty long lineage. IIRC it started off as Western Arms then Ithaca. Navy Arms was involved somewhere in the history. They are one of the most faithful reproductions of the J a s S Hawken Plains rifle. When the rifles were first being produced, the most authentic lock was made by Cherry Corners. It is a pretty good lock. It is now out of production.

One more piece of need to know information is that the bore was designed to J and S Hawken specifications. While it states that it is a 54 caliber rifle, that is a bit misleading. The groove depth is 0.540" so the land to land diameter is 0.530". A 0.526" or 0.520" ball is required."

Ithaca Hawken?? | The Muzzleloading Forum

Walt

At the time, around the 70's i talked to the person in charge of producing the Ithaca. They copied Kit Carson's original. and your right about the bore.. They told me mine was one of the prototypes. I also have a Prototype of the handmade Uberti 53 cal. no markings on the gun except a pistol looking back at you on the hook breach . my Ithaca now has a 58 cal. barrel on it. both are excellent guns. When ever here in Utah I find one, I grab them refurbish and sell them to prospecting muzzleloaders.

 

[BP Addict]

I had one (Sante Fe) a while back and sold it. 520 RB with 70 grains of 3f and no felt recoil. I was amazed!

Walt

 

[BP Addict]

Track of the wolf offered a Santa fe hawkens rifle in kit form back in the eighties with a really nice piece of wood. I bought one of these and it has been a great shooter and I still have it to this day. If you can find one you can't go wrong. At that time you could buy one as a kit for only $250. I wish I had bought a dozen at that time.

The one I had was a kit. I trade a guy a $300 piece of mining equipment for it and had a friend of mine brown the barrel. I ended up selling it. Now I wish I hadn't. I found another for $450 but passed. I recently checked to see if the guy still had it and it was sold.

And so the journey continues.

Walt

 

[roundballman]

I have a Log Cabin version of the Santa Fe Hawken in 53 caliber that I would sell. If interested, PM me and we can start talking.

 

[BP Addict]

I have a Log Cabin version of the Santa Fe Hawken in 53 caliber that I would sell. If interested, PM me and we can start talking.

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Thanks!

Walt

 

[jimairwin]

I'm looking for either a Sante Fe Hawken (.53 caliber) from Allen Arms or Western Arms company. I would also consider a 54 caliber Ithaca Hawken. I prefer the former as I already have a ball mold. Although, I've read that the Ithaca is a better representation.

I don't have an authentic Hawken copy in my collection. While I usually shoot flintlocks, I believe I should have one of these, right?

Thanks!

Walt

both are basically identical, as both started out as a kit of parts from Cherry Corners. Went to Ithaca, Western, Navy arms, winding up at Uberti. Built my .54 in 1974; won lots of prizes with it; and still have it as my favored hunting rifle.

 

[Dale Lilly]

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Walt

Nice Hawken .. consider carefully Dale

 

[unclelouie]

both are basically identical, as both started out as a kit of parts from Cherry Corners. Went to Ithaca, Western, Navy arms, winding up at Uberti. Built my .54 in 1974; won lots of prizes with it; and still have it as my favored hunting rifle.

i have a santa fe i'll sale you . call Lew at 801-889-5055 i'm in Utah. i've known who used to own it. i'm the second owner. good shooter.

 

[jimairwin]

Mine is a Navy Arms. I bought two of them and was told by the company that they were the only two left and no more would be made by them? This was in 1985. This is what is stamped on the barrel,""""Navy Arms Co. Ridgefield NJ., 8681 54 cal. ,Ithaca/navy Hawkin, A. Uberti & C. Gardone V.T. Italy . The Uberti Gardone stamp is of a different font from the rest of the information? It could be these rifles were made from stock shipped over with dies and parts when they started making these rifles and added their name? One thing that has stumped me to this day is the rifles were well made and fit and finish was superb but the muzzles on both rifles were not crowned nor browned? I had to do it in my shop. Anyone know why?

Actually, gentlemen, I believe Navy Arms (an importer) never made any guns at all, but did contract with various manufacturers to produce guns marked with Navy Arms' name stamps. The Navy arms Hawken was acquired from Ithaca who acquired it from Cherry Corners Gun Shop. Whether THEY actually made these or not I do not know. I got my Cherry Corners kit from the Longrifle Shop in Richardson, Texas, around Christmas 1973.

 

[William Sublette]

I'm looking for either a Sante Fe Hawken (.53 caliber) from Allen Arms or Western Arms company. I would also consider a 54 caliber Ithaca Hawken. I prefer the former as I already have a ball mold. Although, I've read that the Ithaca is a better representation.

I don't have an authentic Hawken copy in my collection. While I usually shoot flintlocks, I believe I should have one of these, right?

Thanks!

Walt

Still Need one?

http://grrw.org/uberti-santa-fe-hawken/

 

[BP Addict]

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http://grrw.org/uberti-santa-fe-hawken/

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Walt

 

[LME]

Actually, gentlemen, I believe Navy Arms (an importer) never made any guns at all, but did contract with various manufacturers to produce guns marked with Navy Arms' name stamps. The Navy arms Hawken was acquired from Ithaca who acquired it from Cherry Corners Gun Shop. Whether THEY actually made these or not I do not know. I got my Cherry Corners kit from the Longrifle Shop in Richardson, Texas, around Christmas 1973.

I don't know much about the Ithaca hawkin but I do know one would be hard pressed to find a more acurate rifle. Thanks for the information. I would like to know where in production my Ithaca fits? It is number 8681.

 

[brushblind]

It appears we need an Ithaca Hawken forum. I have one of the .50's assymbled prior to Navy Arms markings but I wouldn't part with it.