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For you Horners out there, what do you use for practice when scrimming a horn? I would like to learn but using my new horn is not an option. I got Sibley's book (highly recommend!!!) but abundant practice materials and someone in central Indiana to work with are not available at this time so I am asking for advice.

Also after scrimming, what do you put into the scrim to make it stand out and to preserve it so it does not fade.

Thank you for all of the information in advance.

Cheers, Don
 
Don,

I'll be following this thread since I hope to do this, strictly for fun, in retirement. You are correct about the Sibley book.

I think there is some kind of white plastic offered for scrimshaw practise. I thought I would try to find some odd pieces of white floor tiles which should be cheaper, maybe free.

There is a similar art called kohlrosing where a design is inscribed, shallowly, in wood. Originally they rubbed coal dust in the grooves, now it might be espresso coffee powder (anything finely ground and dark). Then a clear finish/fixative is applied.

Glad you asked the question.

Jeff
 
Don, A good quality india ink in your skrim will hold up pretty good, and not fade. As far as practice, you can get another horn pretty cheap or an old bone will work, though the texture is not the same.
Robby
 
There are plastics that you can use for practicing scrimshawing. I am thinking of a plastic dog bone my folks had for their dog that seemed to last forever, but could be easily nicked with any sharp knife. You might check pet stores. Also try hobby shops. I saw similar plastic used in curtain pullers, BTW.

As to filling the lines to make them stand out, Traditionally, Candle, or Lantern SOOT was rubbed into the lines. Later, Lamp Black was used.

Today, Inks are used. You don't have to use ONLY Black ink. In fact the finest horn art being displayed today often use several different colors of paints to highlight the scrimshaw. These are considered " Art Horns", rather than the more traditional horn art that uses ink, or soot to fill the line. These Art Horns are displayed, but rarely carried into the fields. But, you see some breathtaking artistry on these horns.

Its your choice. Its your horn. :thumbsup:
 
A friend of mine uses black (or another color) paint pigment obtained at the paint section in a hardware store. Just take a small container (like a prescription bottle) and get a few "squirts" for very little cost.
 
I will look for the plastics. I am concerned with the flow of the scrim with the material. Like engraving wood or metal, I do not want to have it stop and then it start with a huge gash and ruin the project. Thanks.
What is way to scrim? Short strokes? What do you use for 'shading'? An awl? Or other pointed metal item?
 
Don, I believe any type of plastic is probably one of the worst ways to learn horn engraving! Only horn has the REAL FEEL for learning to control your engraving tool. Like Robby mentions, start with a real horn. There are cheap horns or junk horns from some suppliers, that will work excellently for practice. Just practice on that horn and scape or sand off and you have a new area to practice some more. Kind of like a school blackboard! As to darkening the scratching. Many today use a quality water-proof India Ink, but you can use ash, etcher's ink, oil or acrylic paints, charcoal dust etc. Serious Horners ususlly try them all at one time or another and settle for their favorite.

I make all my powder horns to be used and most are I believe. Just by staining or dying a finished engraved horn will darken the engraving to some degree. If you notice on many original horns. The engraving is pretty light colored anyway. Is that from age or did the maker just like it lighter? The jury is still out on that and age definately comes into play. Modern makers seem to want darker engraving! Below are some examples of different engraving and darkening used.

You mention "go with the flow" engraving. If you look closely at original powder horns. You can see "stop and go" marks and "over-run and tool slipping". For those Horners today, many slip and over-run on purpose to add authentic character to the horn. Newbie's to horning try to get straight lines to straight, just because we can and loops and turns too purfect sometimes, when even the old boys didn't worry about it!

India inked

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Charcoal and linseed oil
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Hope this helped,
Rick
 
here are some of our pics and this site has a lot of info on scrimshaw work and how to do it http://www.engravingforum.com/album.php?albumid=323 go practice pc can be gotten off e-bay cheaply
Fake Ivory can be purchased on Ebay. I do all my scrimshaw on Ivory using Mammoth or sperm whales teeth.
Lines and stippling are the preferd meathods of doing this ancient art of the Mariners and woodsman. They used to use lamp black to color into the lines. Burn a candle flame on metal till it gets black then use linseed a drop to oil it up then coat your work and wipe off and the black will sink into every line or dot you have made. Just make sure your object you are working on is highly polished because everything shows up. Alot of folks also use India Ink. There is no need for you to put anything on your drawing for preservation as it lasts for centuries, just keep em out of the sun
 
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Don't think plastic anything will duplicate what working on horn feels like. Horn has soft and hard spots. Check your own finger and toe nails. Its the same stuff! :shocked2: Horn has grooves in its surfaces that can be seen using low angled light. I don't know anyone confident enough to use anything other than Short, SHALLOW strokes at first when they scrim. You go over them to deepen them, and lengthen them.

Tools?? Some use a simply pocket knife that has a very sharp point. Others use Exacto knife( tools). A few use a sharpened Awl. I know one person who felt he had more control using the diamond shaped point on a home-made cutting tool. I don't know what was the source of the metal shank, but he shaped the "Point" into a diamond shape using a grinder, then honing stones.

The ONE trick I learned recently that will be of use to you, is to use wet leather over the wooden Angled post you put the horn on when working on it. The wet leather will "grab" the inside of the horn, and help hold it steady, while you draw and scrim the surface. However, removing the horn from the wet leather covered post will be much easier.

If you wait until you have already put the plug into the horn permanently before you scrim the horn, use a canvas sack of lead shot( 25 lb. bag) to rest the horn on. The lead shot moves to form around the body of the horn.

You Can put a damp sheet of leather (chamois cloth works-available in the auto section of most discount home stores[ ie. Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, Walmart, etc.]) on top of the canvas to give you better gripping of the smooth horn surface, too. You might want to put a plastic bread wrapper over the shot bag, to keep water away from the lead shot. :thumbsup:
 
Send me a email (in my profile) if you like and I will send you the the address for THE HORNERS BENCH. Lots of information on horning there! Claude won't allow me to post it, as I have tried!

Rick
 
horner75 said:
Send me a email (in my profile) if you like and I will send you the the address for THE HORNERS BENCH. Lots of information on horning there! Claude won't allow me to post it, as I have tried!

Rick
I have no idea what you mean...
http://thehornersbench.proboards.com/

And please conduct your private conversations in private.
 
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Claude said:
horner75 said:
Send me a email (in my profile) if you like and I will send you the the address for THE HORNERS BENCH. Lots of information on horning there! Claude won't allow me to post it, as I have tried!

Rick
I have no idea what you mean...
http://thehornersbench.proboards.com/

And please conduct your private conversations in private.

Ah, I see what you mean. The link to "pro boards" in general is blocked, not the URL of the Horner's Bench specifically.
 
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