Set trigger arrangment on the Roer or Cape Dutch musket

[Rudyard]

I've studied & seek to make a Roer they very often had a set triggers but this seems curious in what is normally an unrifled or at best a straight grouve barrel of large bore .Their locks may have or actually need a detent but they are generally just trade locks I much doubt any are common in the US but they do turn up in the UK and of course Southern Africa . Bit of a' left fielder' question . but some of you might be familiar with these' Bobybijaaneboo' ( Monkey leg ) due to its roach belly stock shape . How ever its spelt .
Regards Rudyard

 

[tenngun]

Would love to see a picture of this gun

 

[Rudyard]

Me too ,I haven't made it yet just got old bits suitable. Ime not of Boer extraction but spent enough time down that way to study the Voortreckers history and their particular guns .The stuff they had to tackle made the' wild west' seem tame on some occasions' .
Regards Rudyard

 

[Nazgul58]

Exactly !

I have read a lot of H.Ryder Haggard. It is fiction of course, but the descriptions he gives of "trekking" through the veldt is intriguing.

Would like to see what you come up with.

Don

 

[Rudyard]

King Soloman's Mines & Presta John would be ones I read, But there was nothing fictional about the Voortrekkers'. Veldt is Afrikaans for land . Kipling's' Lost :Legion' has a line " The swag & the billy again heres how" " The treck & the Laager again ." Or close ,all very Jingoistic .But that was Kipling bless him.
Regards Rudyard

 

[GREENSWLDE]

Hi Rudyard,
When ya do write up, Don't forget the Moonlite hotel and Fire at the Target sheds.I'll try and find the Photos.. "do not go gently into the good night" curticy--Dylan.. OLD DOG..

 

[Rudyard]

Dear Old Dog , Which Starlite hotel there where a few (Lots of branches you understand ) .Oh the Target shed fire" Grand affair with engine's "To quote Manton ? or Hawker one of them . I remember Andy Courtney looking up from his shoot results and saying ''Have you left your matchcord burning M ? " Nope. but we swung into action cleared the car park ran to a house with a phone (No cell phones them days ). I have a photo some one took of me spraying the mashing shed gas bottles to cool them down . Dylon 'Under milk wood '? dosnt sound like Bob Dylon .No Ime talking into a flat glass gajet that records narration wonderfully so for whatever worth it may be its tales not lost via a ghost writer or typist of some sort .
Regards Rudyard

 

[GREENSWLDE]

Dear Old Dog , Which Starlite hotel there where a few (Lots of branches you understand ) .Oh the Target shed fire" Grand affair with engine's "To quote Manton ? or Hawker one of them . I remember Andy Courtney looking up from his shoot results and saying ''Have you left your matchcord burning M ? " Nope. but we swung into action cleared the car park ran to a house with a phone (No cell phones them days ). I have a photo some one took of me spraying the mashing shed gas bottles to cool them down . Dylon 'Under milk wood '? dosnt sound like Bob Dylon .No Ime talking into a flat glass gajet that records narration wonderfully so for whatever worth it may be its tales not lost via a ghost writer or typist of some sort .
Regards Rudyard

Hello Rudyard,Hope all are well down there,,
Dylan THOMAS of Boat House, Llarne, fame. Definately "Under Milk Wood".The no good Boyho!!
Think Long/Short Siberia. The photo ,I think may be one of mine. I have several including you and Fire
Chief D.BRIGGY.
As for what I did today, I started to clean the inside of the .470" bore of a SMLE Mk3* K/P** pattern .
Bought years ago by accident at a farm auction in East Lincs. Suggest My designation K/P** is for Kydar Pass. LOLs. Your thoughts Please??

 

[Rudyard]

Dear Old Dog .Well Talk about a cedar shingle from er ' Out'building ' that gun has a decidedly "Left Field' quallity . But I instantly reconasize it as one of Abuls from down Diagon ally off Meston road Cawnpore its got his' house style' Very distinked (His shop was behind the tannery ) You can see his blue period blending of morphed muzzle loader into SMLE ".Very demand !" as they say in Cawnpore .

Such Utter Predesh' bumph' aside its evedntly a well made gun the rear sight ? maybe its oval bore ?. Are there any Indian ordnance factory marks it looks much too good for the useually Diagon ally or Kyber Pass (Allways read Peshawar not much activity in the pass only useing guns ) In short its a mystery to me clearly well made I doubt Skennerton's definitive work on the British Service Lee covers such a gun but you did get all sorts of' Commercial's' in the Native States . We only ruled maybe a third of India direct the rest where traditional rulers of their Native States any one of them might dream up such an order for their private armies . So I wouldn't rule it out Doesn't seem too logical to us but I made it a rule not to look for logic in such regions. (That Definatly applies to West Africa !) It could just be its purpose was to make a gun that was guaranteed to get talked about & if so they succeeded admirably ,its curio value alone eclipsing any other varient SMLE . Ide jump over a pile of Hog rifles to get to that gun . ( I Actually like Hog Rifles I have one )

Re Bisley fire pics Ive one Roger from Kidderminster took it I didnt know I was too busy hoseing down gas bottles lest they go . The heat was formidable , But it was Arthurs Mashing shed & Ide camped there once. Got look after our Arthur , good bloke was Arthur .
Cheers Rudyard

 

[GREENSWLDE]

Dear Old Dog .Well Talk about a cedar shingle from er ' Out'building ' that gun has a decidedly "Left Field' quallity . But I instantly reconasize it as one of Abuls from down Diagon ally off Meston road Cawnpore its got his' house style' Very distinked (His shop was behind the tannery ) You can see his blue period blending of morphed muzzle loader into SMLE ".Very demand !" as they say in Cawnpore .

Such Utter Predesh' bumph' aside its evedntly a well made gun the rear sight ? maybe its oval bore ?. Are there any Indian ordnance factory marks it looks much too good for the useually Diagon ally or Kyber Pass (Allways read Peshawar not much activity in the pass only useing guns ) In short its a mystery to me clearly well made I doubt Skennerton's definitive work on the British Service Lee covers such a gun but you did get all sorts of' Commercial's' in the Native States . We only ruled maybe a third of India direct the rest where traditional rulers of their Native States any one of them might dream up such an order for their private armies . So I wouldn't rule it out Doesn't seem too logical to us but I made it a rule not to look for logic in such regions. (That Definatly applies to West Africa !) It could just be its purpose was to make a gun that was guaranteed to get talked about & if so they succeeded admirably ,its curio value alone eclipsing any other varient SMLE . Ide jump over a pile of Hog rifles to get to that gun . ( I Actually like Hog Rifles I have one )

Re Bisley fire pics Ive one Roger from Kidderminster took it I didnt know I was too busy hoseing down gas bottles lest they go . The heat was formidable , But it was Arthurs Mashing shed & Ide camped there once. Got look after our Arthur , good bloke was Arthur .
Cheers Rudyard

Rudyard, I've had the barrel out several times and never found any marks or numbers. No armoury stamps.. Now I've decided to clean it up a bit. Do nothing drastic. Can't tell anything about the inside of tube.It's solid rust in rings down the length. I suspect the boulster is brazed to the tube but can't see through the rust at present.. It dosen't Mike oval at the muzzle.Have always thought It might be a piece our railway track through The Pass or Kabul area. It had a lot of thought and work put into it. When it's clear I'm going to take it out ,tie it to a tree with a 2X proof load with a very long piece of string and pull from behind a big rock & what will be will be. If it cleans up OK and stands my proof I'll try it with PB at 50 odd Yds.With a charge of 5's it might be good for Tree Rats. IF it fails I still have 1 or 2 GRNR MH tubes about somewhere..
I've never seen anything like it here amongst all the odd dealers stuff. If if had been "MASS" produced for a local potanteat surely another would have turned up as a "re-location" somewhere in UK ..I'll try to phpoto the bore .. OLD DOG..

 

[Rudyard]

Dear Old Dog .The underlying quality stands out its not junk Why it was ever made Ide only be guessing .What I do see is its worthy of careful restoration as a remarkable curio if nothing else .I can't say re UK but down here they often collect any variant Lee Enfield .It screeams LE inspired , my guess was Native States .HRH the Maharaja of Nagod is the only one I did business with though I took tea with three of them in a day but he would be typical, tumble down palace rooms full of thick dust like something out of the jilted Miss Faversham's breakfast room in' Great Expectations ' The racks where for? Martinis ?Sniders ? whatever in the gloom with a belt fed machine gun lying in the dust along with Swords matchlocks leather kit ect ect . Though we held court in the foyer by hurricane lamps . What ime saying is its very probably an important piece better restored & let be and would out of shear curio value alone give you a good return on the sale price you gave .Suggest you run it by British Militaria Forums a very well studied group who might just identify it. Ime Rudyard on it Ime practically a field Marshal only they don't have them so I've to settle comfortably as Veteran of the Regiment More anon Regards Me