Shooting without wiping

[Rat Trapper]

TC bore butter or wonder lube allows me to shoot without wiping.

 

[jamesthomas]

Come on guys, some of you are leaving out critical information. Just saying I use "this kind of lube" doesn't get it. Square or round bottom grooves?, powder type? how much?, patch thickness?. I'm using such a wet patch that it leaves a ring of lube on my muzzle and I still have problems. I'll try the windshield washing fluid and the dish soap next time I go out, I have some Jojoba oil that I'm going to try also. Hanshi, I do have some .024 patches that I use for my .50 cal. .490 ball square grooves. I'm just tired of spending more time wiping than shooting.

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

.50 cal Green Mt barrel, square bottom rifling, .495 handcast ball, .026 denim patch, 60 gr goex 3f.

.50 cal Colerain barrel, radius bottom rifling, .490 hand cast ball, .015 ticking patch, 50 gr goex 3f.

.625 cal Oregon Barrel, smooth bore, .600 hand cast ball, .026 denim patch, 70 gr goex 2f.

These combinations go all day without the need to wipe between shots using a liquid patch lube loaded wet.

I use this lube, I bought a recipie several years ago so as not to run out.

 

[ChrisHarris]

GM .54 barrel
32" long
.018 pillow ticking
.530 ball
Goex 2F
CCI #11 caps
Hot shot nipple
Napa water soluble cutting/machining oil mixed 10:1 with water.
WET patches - always greasy side down when loaded.

...... and one loose screwball behind the trigger. :rotf:

I do swab, with a 3/8" brass range rod and a 2.25" cleaning patch after every shot. It's been soaked with my lube. I use one patch for about 15-20 shots and then put on a new one.

I don't do it because of fouling. I do it because I was taught that way - to make sure there aren't any burning embers down in the barrel.

My rifle shoots about 25-30 shots and then the snail gets clogged with a thin film, just under the nipple. It will hang fire once. That's my signal to pull the nipple and poke the channel clean with a small vent pick. Swab out the barrel with a couple soaking wet patches until there's liquid running out the nipple hole. Then dry it with a couple patches. Pop 2 caps and start loading again.

I usually only use 40-50 grains for paper targets. It's sighted in with 70 grains at 100 yards. But if I load it up to 100 grains I can hit a standard playing card 4 out of 5 times at 140 yards. Bench rest. Iron sights. 2" high at 100 yards.

 

[longcruise]

Your problem stems from the grease lube you are using. The easiest, least expensive wet lube was mentioned above: kitchen dish soap and water at about 1-7 or 1-10 ratio. Course the spit lube is actually the cheapest and easiest but some people don't like putting patches in their mouth.😃

square, round, deep, shallow, charge, granulation, etc., don,t matter. Just needs to be wet enough to wipe the bore as the ball is pushed down!

 

[jamesthomas]

I wasn't using a grease lube. I was using Hoppe's #9 plus Black Powder Solvent and Lube.

 

[biliff]

My typical day punching paper is about 25-30 shots, trail walks are usually 15-20, no wiping needed:

.32 GM barrel (square rifling) - 20gr FFFg Goex, .018" drill patch, spit lube, .318 cast ball
.54 Colerain barrel (round) - 70gr FFFg Goex, .018" drill patch, spit lube, .530 cast ball
.58 Colerain barrel (round) -70gr FFFg Goex, .018" drill patch, spit lube
.44 Pedersoli LePage flint or percussion (square) - 18-20gr FFFg Goex, .010" cotton (muslin I think) patch, spit lube, .433 cast ball

 

[longcruise]

Ok I see. I misunderstood when you noted a ring of lube at the muzzle.

suggest you try something wetter like the dish soap formula. Honestly, if that won't work then you should consider the possibility of a poor bore condition.

all of my guns have loaded without wiping when using the hoppes lube regardless of the components used.

 

[stinkyfeet]

I only use schuetzen powder 2-3f and I use the bore cleaner from TOTW, on all my target patches. I have all different rifles, caliber, and rifling style and depths and it doesn't matter I can shoot all day long with every gun but my 32 squirrel rifle and its about every 7-8 shots every thing else is 50-60 shots or better before swabbing the bore without accuracy loss or issue loading.

 

[James Morris]

I don't clean my barrel till I get home and shoot my .54 cal all day at my club's monthly competition shoots and the 63rd shot is as easy to load as the first. My wet lube recipe is made up in a jar with a good fitting lid and hundreds of patches are in it till I need them - just squeeze them out a little before use.
The recipe is 200ml water, 30ml cutting oil, 30ml dish washing liquid, 30ml kerosene, 30ml cloudy ammonia.
It must be working as this month from six events I scored two firsts and two seconds so I wont be changing anything!

 

[kaintuck]

When I have gone shooting, my old GM 50cal barrel, spit patch on the powder, tickin from wallyworld, one patch wipe spit lubed between shots. Clean with water when I get home.
My lead is wheel weights :youcrazy: material....I have about 700# so I guess I'm stocked for life!.
I do want to try some lube stuff from Keith L....just haven't asked him yet.....as you know.....most of my time is spent making these guns, not shooting....so I'm kinda ignorant on the shooting end
But, my GM barrel is smooth as a babes behind even after all these years.....
Marc

 

[jamesthomas]

Went shooting again yesterday to try various things, nothing worked i.e., dish soap, about a 7 to 10 ratio, thicker patch,(.018 to.025), Jojoba oil, :shake: . I would still get a hard crust ring at the top of the powder column :idunno: . I believe its the KIK powder I'm using because the fouling is hard and dry. I'll try some Olde Ensford 2ff I have and see if it makes any difference. Its the only thing I have left to try. The patches are very wet BTW. This is a new barrel with less than50 shots through it.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Your patch sounds awfull thick to me. seems like your combo would be so tight that all the lube would be squeezed out when starting the ball :idunno: did you try spit?
I have noticed that some patch materials don't lubricate well regardless of thickness... I think it's residual sizing,dye setting or fire retardant chemicals in the fabric.
did you wash it a couple of times?
If it's a new barrel the bore might be rough and need lapping...Rough surfaces clean harder than smooth ones.

 

[jamesthomas]

These are all Pillow ticking patches .015, .018 and .025 thick and washed and dried twice and they soak up lube as well as spit real well, I'm using a .395 ball. The new barrel doesn't cut patches at all, the patches come out with no rips or tears. Maybe today I'll hit my JoAnn's and get some No. 40 drill cloth and some Linen. The lady's have seen me with my calipers before.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Are you using 2f powder in a 40 cal. that might be it.

 

[jamesthomas]

Please go back and read my previous posts I'm using 40 grains of 3fff KIK powder.

 

[Dean2]

Went shooting again yesterday to try various things, nothing worked i.e., dish soap, about a 7 to 10 ratio, thicker patch,(.018 to.025), Jojoba oil, :shake: . I would still get a hard crust ring at the top of the powder column :idunno: . I believe its the KIK powder I'm using because the fouling is hard and dry. I'll try some Olde Ensford 2ff I have and see if it makes any difference. Its the only thing I have left to try. The patches are very wet BTW. This is a new barrel with less than50 shots through it.

That carbon ring above the powder is the one place I have found that no matter what lube I use, it shows up eventually. When I have that show up the only choice is to wipe it away.

 

[smo]

James, My 54 cal. 42 " Colerain radius bottom grooved barrel will shoot round after round using a wet tickin' spit patch and 70 grns of fff Goex. It will do the same shooting 100 grns of ff Goex. I think you may have solved your own problem, it's most likely the KIK. I have never tried it so I can't say for sure. However a smaller bore does tend to foul quicker than a larger one from my experience. Some say that Swiss is the best powder to use in the smaller bores. :idunno:

 

[Flash Pan Dan]

I have a .40 in a Colerain round bottom barrel. I use 40 grains of KIK 3Fg powder with e .395 ball and a .018 patch lightly greased on one side of the patch only. I get that same fouling ring at the front of the powder column. Never thought about it because I get that same thing with any rifle or smoothbore I use with any powder, that includes Ole E’ and Swiss.

I can’t comment on the rest because I wipe between shots and I wipe after the ball is loaded so I never get rid of the fouling ring until I clean the barrel when I’m done for the day.

 

[Okie Hog]

Don't like to swab myself. So i don't. i usually fire 20-30 rounds per shooting session.

Barrel: TC New Englander, .50 and .54
Powder Charge: 80 and 100 grains
Powder: 2F Grafs or 3F Pinnacle.
Patch lube: GoJo hand cleaner, wet patch
Cap: CCI or Remington #11