Shot in paper cartriges

[frenchfusil]

Anyone use paper cartidges for shot? If you do how do you make them up?

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[Rebel]

I use them in my .20ga N.W. Tradegun. I have a wooden dowel that is a bit under bore size. I use post it notes and cut them to the desired length wrap them around the dowel and use the glued edge to hold it together. I don't make them up in advance with the shot already in them, but plan on trying that with a longer post it paper. I use an over powder card then the paper shot cup, shot, and then an overshot card. Not sure how much affect they have on the patterns as i haven't tried them on a pattern board yet. I do know that i was doing pretty good on hitting Starlings flying over with them.

 

[musketman]

If you roll paper tubes you can fill them with shot as follows...

I like to poke holes (perforation) in the sides to allow the shot to break free of the tube once it exits the barrel...

Another method is to use dime wrapper tubes...

 

[Rat]

I like post-em-notes too...wrap them around something that will give you a finished product just under bore size...but big enough that you still have to ram the cartridge down even with a clean barrel...with a clean barrel, my first cartridge will slide down with the weight of the ram-rod on it...but not by it's self. (steel musket ram-rod...your results may vary with a wooden RR)

I kind of "star-crimp" the bottom of the cartridge, and glue it shut with white glue. Then after putting in the shot I just fold the left over empty tube flat, and over, and glue it down with a small spot of glue. You just have to experiment with how much tube to have left over after the shot is in. I have found no need for over-powder or over shot wads, when making grouse loads. For my Turkey loads I do use a cushion wad under the shot-cartridge.

In my gun, 11 guage, with 100 to 110 grains of Swiss, the paper completely disintegrates...very hard to find any remaining pieces even on bare, flat ground!! Pieces I do find are never burnt though...just totally mutilated.

Sure makes for good bird hunting. Pull out a paper powder cartridge...tear off the end and pour the powder in...then grab a shot cartridge and just ram it down...(although I usually add a wonder wad...unless the birds are flushing hot and heavy under my feet!) prime the pan and you are ready to go again.

The first load also pulls real easy if you want to unload the gun without getting her dirty.

Rat

 

[frenchfusil]

Ok so your using one paper cartridge for powder than a secound for shot. Anyone make them with the powder and shot in the same cartridge?

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[Wes/Tex]

At one time I made paper cartridges patterned after those shown in an old black powder book. The guy made up the cartridges for his own guns which were original Brown Besses, Baker Rifles & fowlers...must be nice to shoot the real thing! Anyway, the idea was to cut the paper into long enough rectangles to hold both shot & powder when rolled. The trick is to glue a wad about mid way and roll the paper up which seals the wad in the center of the tube. When dry, the pre-measured shot can be poured in and the end twisted and tied off with string. Another helpful hint is to wipe the outside of the cartridge with melted lube using a brush from the wad to the top outside. It dries very quickly. The powder is poured in the bottom and the paper folded or twisted, your choice, shut and the cartridge put in a cartridge box.

To use, tear off the bottom of the cartridge and pour the powder into the muzzle of the gun. push the entire cartridge into the the muzzle until just the tied twist on the top is visible. Cut off the twist to open the top of the cartridge, place an over-shot card on top and push the whole cartridge down with the ramrod. Seems to work reasonably well for something premade. Good luck.

 

No reason any paper ctg. couldn't have shot instead of a ball. Merely have a wad in the ctg. to separate powder from shot. this could be put in prior or after forming the paper ctg. Again, I will state that a ctg. that is taperd int he powder section, is more easily handled, torn off with the teeth, and sustains little to no powder loss between being torn & subsequently being dumped into the bore.

 

I use 20#, 25% linen paper stock to make my 'shot packs'. It holds together going in and slides more easily than other types of paper. Also, it holds up to handling really well in a cartridge box or even just rolling around in my hunting bag. I use a glue stick, which goes on pretty dry and doesn't compromise the integrity of the paper. They come out looking like coin rolls.

Also, I have recently been gluing my over-powder cards and cushions together before oiling the cushions. It makes for quicker loading in the field, and less digging around for stuff in the bottom of my bag, which usually results in ouchies from errant flints, picks, and my little musket-multi-tool, which has a pretty sharp point on it.

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[KyFlintlock]

Wow, this is good stuff. I already learned something new this morning... Thanks! I can't wait to try it out.