Celticstoneman
40 Cal
Folks, what can I read from these stamps? I pulled this from someone's dumpster after a move out. Thank you in advance for any info.
Shotgun barrels ?
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Rabbit2047
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crown over b is a German proof
Rabbit2047
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Whoops... Those are British proofs. I didn't have my. Glasses on
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Based on the angles of the metal grain, and please someone with real knowledge correct me, it looks like a Damascus barrel?
So, what does the rest of it look like? I am going to speculate the 15's have something to do with bore size?
plmeek
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If you rotate the photo 180°, it is clear that those are post-1813 Birmingham proof marks.
The "15" marks are the bore size. If these are muzzleloader barrels, the number represents the number of balls-to-the-pound and not the modern shotgun gauge. The bore size was added to the barrel markings per the Gun Barrel Proof Act 1855, so these barrels would date after 1855.
The "15" marks are the bore size. If these are muzzleloader barrels, the number represents the number of balls-to-the-pound and not the modern shotgun gauge. The bore size was added to the barrel markings per the Gun Barrel Proof Act 1855, so these barrels would date after 1855.
Celticstoneman
40 Cal
Mr. Bailey, I can't get the whole barrel in one recognized photo so here is both ends.Obviously a muzzle loader it looks kinda poorly but I have seen worse guns I suppose.the nipples aren't rotted out or otherwise abused. The willing stick was in the same dumpster ,just not with this barrel i checked the bore size and it is darn near that of my 16ga. Unmentionables
Celticstoneman
40 Cal
Mr. Meeks ,thank you very much.So, can I assume that the "Roses" is a retailers name?
Barrel proof marks from the top of image
BP under crown Provincial proof mark
15 Bore Size
Crossed sceptre with a V Viewers Mark
15 bore size
Crossed Sceptres Definitive Proof
The name Roses is the barrel maker known has Rose's Patent for twisted barrels Patented 24 th Oct 1850
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Damn! Feltwad got there before I did -- - I was going to write that ;-)
One has to remember that at that time the barrels were made, ground and spill bored -- - all by hand with workmen sweating away, probably on "piece work rate" and THEN they were "gauged" at the Proof House and marked accordingly -- hence a plethora of bore sizes. It wasn't until later that machinery was used to produce numbers of barrels all to the same specifications.
One has to remember that at that time the barrels were made, ground and spill bored -- - all by hand with workmen sweating away, probably on "piece work rate" and THEN they were "gauged" at the Proof House and marked accordingly -- hence a plethora of bore sizes. It wasn't until later that machinery was used to produce numbers of barrels all to the same specifications.
Cruzatte
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I always wondered why there were so many odd bore sizes back then. Now I know. Thanks.
Celticstoneman
40 Cal
Thanks fellas, that is great information!
John
John
hanshi
Cannon
That is a fantastic find,IMHO.
Woody Morgan
62 Cal.
That would be a cool project.
What style of stock would be appropriate to put those barrels in?
Jeepers. The things you see and learn on this forum.
wm
What style of stock would be appropriate to put those barrels in?
Jeepers. The things you see and learn on this forum.
wm
Celticstoneman
40 Cal
Fellas, a couple of you seem interested. So, pay the shipping and the first guy can have the barrels and ramrod \ wiping stick for free.I'm too darn old to start it and I really hated to see it in the dumpster ,so. Who would like it for absolutely nothing but postage to ship it to you?
John
John
Flinty Scot
40 Cal
Congratulations! That's the most amazing dumpster diving find I've heard of.
The bores must be really eroded; the exterior shown looks pretty good and the nipples look usable.
The bores must be really eroded; the exterior shown looks pretty good and the nipples look usable.
Definitely Damascus.
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I will build it if you still have it. 4126014059
Celticstoneman
40 Cal
That is a beautiful gun
