Side seam hard sole plains mocs
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try[url] www.nativetech.org[/url] the have all kinds of patterns on line or just google sideseam hardsole moccasines pattern and that should turn something.[url]
www.nativetech.org/clothing/moccasin/moctext.html[/url]
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KHickam said:
It's my understanding that on the side-seam, the bottom and upper were the same piece? I've never heard of a "hard sole, side-seam".
(but then there's a lot I've never heard of) :wink:
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I'm with you Claude. I never heard of them, but I have been surprised in the past by things I had never heard of. As far as I know, the hard soled mocs were much like a shoe, or what we call a shoe pack, but with a one piece vamp sewn to a sole of rawhide, or heavy leather.
Claude - That is what they called them in the display at the Timber Lake Museum. They are later period ca 1890 or so - but based on my most recent experience in SD with soft soled mocs hunting prairie dogs - my feet are much more tender than the Sioux, Aricaras, and Mandans that inhabited this country in the early 1800s.
After pulling several cactus spins out of my feet that went through my center seam mocs with trade wool liner, I have decided that perhaps it would be better to get a hard soled moc for when I am doing stuff here in SD during the summer.
I am not sure that even a double layer soft soled moccasion would stand up to it.
After pulling several cactus spins out of my feet that went through my center seam mocs with trade wool liner, I have decided that perhaps it would be better to get a hard soled moc for when I am doing stuff here in SD during the summer.
I am not sure that even a double layer soft soled moccasion would stand up to it.
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You can make a standard sideseam and just stitch a rawhide sole on the bottom as if it were a patch-up job. Another less PC approach would be to glue in a heavy cowhide insole inside your moc. Neither of these will stop them all so the best advice is to just to watch where you step.
Sean
You can make a standard sideseam and just stitch a rawhide sole on the bottom as if it were a patch-up job. Another less PC approach would be to glue in a heavy cowhide insole inside your moc. Neither of these will stop them all so the best advice is to just to watch where you step.
Sean
I would opt for a semi PC moc that gave some solid footing so to speak I like the arrow Liegener I just accept it and represnt it for what it is, many of the real PC moc types were very short lived, a bit of compromise is generally accepted as not falling into the realm of historical suicide...
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Keith,[url]
http://www.crazycrow.com[/url] sells a hardsole (latigo) plains moc kit. I don't know what time period it would be from, but is certainly more pc than the minntonkas.
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Frank/Pa said:
I don't believe those are "side seam" in spite of what they may call them. Of course they can call them anything they like.
Arrow's "side seam":
A true side-seam only has a seam on one side of the sole.
This is a side seam below. Notice the seam is only on one side - Hence the name.
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Mornin KHickam
I'm not into bein PC but I do like the way they did things in the old days, But, like back then, I will improve what ever I can, Just like in the old days, I made these in the early 90's. And they held up well for how much I have used them, The hardest part of makin em was/is the sole, That's the first part to go, I had rubber soles >Valconized< on them from a place in Arizona, I like em and they are quiet
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I'm not into bein PC but I do like the way they did things in the old days, But, like back then, I will improve what ever I can, Just like in the old days, I made these in the early 90's. And they held up well for how much I have used them, The hardest part of makin em was/is the sole, That's the first part to go, I had rubber soles >Valconized< on them from a place in Arizona, I like em and they are quiet
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Another option could be a Navajo styled moc from Kaibab Moccasins, they are not a "plains" style but have been in use for hundreds of years. They have a thick rawhide sole with no stitching exposed to wear away. They are slippery in grass and duff though but wear like iron. I've got two pairs.
It looks like their website is down but if you are interested I can dig up the phone number.
It looks like their website is down but if you are interested I can dig up the phone number.
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Try to find the Moccasin book by George White (Craft Manual of North American Indian Footwear). I has the pattern you are looking for. I used it to make my side-seams, and I ended up stitching an extra sole on the bottom when they wore thin. You may find sewing a thicker piece of cowhide to the bottom (rough side out) much easier than rawhide.
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