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AgesofDays

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if you took an average t/c sight and cranked it all the way down and fired a shot say at 50 yards then turned the sight all the way up till it almost pops out and fired the same distance and all what do you think the distance between the 2 shots would be?
 
if yer using a 8.5 x 11" paper target it most likely be at the top and the bottom of the paper if not off of each, that's my guess as to the sites moving my shots i've tried while sighting in....i just didn't try it to the ends like that :v .............bob
 
:applause: interesting question..inquiring minds want to know..Hank
 
At what distance are you sighting the gun in? That does make a difference in changes of POI, when you run the adjustments.

When I am sighting in a new gun, I begin at 10 yds, as that is about where the ball or bullet furst crosses the line of sight. I make my adjustments to windage there, and then adjust the elevation until the ball or bullet is hitting about 1 " low from POA.

Then I move back to 25 yds, which is still close. I use a small bull, and try to have the ball hit 1 inch high, but adjust the windage again to center the hits. I start with a caliber load of powder under a round ball, checking the patches to make sure I am not tearing or blowing holes in them. At 25 yds, I can actually work down from that caliber load( ie. 40 grain is a .40 caliber rifle, 45 grains in a .45 cal. rifle, etc.) to find a light load that will make a nice 3 or five shot one hole group. Again, at that stage I am just trying to get my groups centered; I will work on finding the best 25 yd. range load later.

Then I move back to 50 yds, and repeat. Usually I have only a fine adjustment to make with the windage, and I can work up a good grouping load at that range, and " zero it " at that distance if I want. Again, I am shooting targets, and am not interested in this stage at developing a " Hunting load ". The caliber load seems to work well, within 10 grains or so, at being the best target shooting load at that range.

Then I move the target out to 100 yards, and find out where the POI is at that range, and how well the load groups at that distance. I smoothbores, the groups open substantially, over what I had at 50 yds. With rifles the groups will be not quite double the size of the 50 yd. group, assuming everything else is right. If the gun is going to be used for hunting, I take the time here to increase the amount of powder in 10 grain increments to find out what seems to shoot the most accurate, and flatest. Using FFg powder, that seems to be approx. 1 1/2 times the charge that worked best at 50 yds, with adjustments downward on shorter barreled guns. Once you get over .50 caliber, the balls are so heavy that you don't really need to load lots of powder for them to penetrate or killw large game well. So, I work on accuracy rather than velocity.

As to how much elevation adjustment a given sight will permit, it very much depends on the range at which you are shooting. at 25 yds, you should get about 4 inches. That will keep you on a piece of notebook or typing paper at that distance.

But, Start your shooting with a new gun, or new sights, at 10 yds. You learn absolutely nothing about your sight settings if your ball misses the target all together.

My late, and good friend, M. Don Latter was sighting in a .62 Cal, custom made rifle one day when I arrived at the range. He was in a foul mood, as he had been shooting the gun off the bench at a 25 yd., 8 " bangplate, and had not hit it yet, after shooting many balls. While explaining to me and others what he had tried, ( shooting around the clock, changing powder charges, among other things) to get a shot on the bangplate, he managed to dry load a PRB in the gun. ( No powder!) He instantly blamed me, because I was talking to him as he reloaded the gun!

This was a flintlock, and he could take the vent liner out, so I got two screwdrivers from my kit, one large one to remove the liner, and a very small thin one to use as a lever( ouch!) to try to push that PRB forward enough to get some priming powder behind it. I managed to wedge the ball forward only about a 32nd of an inch, but he got a few grains of powder behind it, and put the vent liner back in the gun, then put the lock back on. Then Don primed the pan, and instead of just firing the ball out into the ground, he sat down at his bench, rested the gun over the sandbags, took careful aim at the bang plate, and squeezed the trigger.

Well, the pan flashed, the main charge fired, in a whimpy sounding pop, of course, and damn if that round ball did not hit the EXACT center of that bangplate at 25 yds. We were all speechless. I took the opportunity of that pregnant pause to dryly comment to Don that we had found out what his problem was with the gun hitting that target: His head whipped around to look at me, the other guys looked at me, and I answered:

" You obviously were using too much powder !"

Needless to say, everyone, including Don, got the giggles over that one. We did put up a paper target at 10 yds, with lots of paper, so that we could find out where those sights were shooting, and he quickly made the needed adjustments to bring the sights on target with standard loads.

But, around my gun club, anytime someone can't hit a target at 25 yds, someone is likely to mutter, " He's obviously using too much powder!"
 
Later TC sights have about .180 adjustment. On a 26" barrel sights are approx 18" apart, at 50 yds.
this would give you 18" of adjustment. To tell you exactly I need to know exactly the distance between your front and rear sight.
 
AgesofDays said:
if you took an average t/c sight and cranked it all the way down and fired a shot say at 50 yards then turned the sight all the way up till it almost pops out and fired the same distance and all what do you think the distance between the 2 shots would be?
IS there any use to this type of information? You have my attention.
Wouldn't powder charge and caliber have anything to do with it?
I'm suspecting that you have been smoking the Peace Pipe with the local Injun's. I hear those Injun's in Vermont have baccy that is really green and smells like stepping on skunk weed down in the swamp. Eat some BEN AND JERRY'S ICE CREAM, you'll feel better. Cherry Garcia is my favorite.:grin:
 
I'm suspecting that you have been smoking the Peace Pipe with the local Injun's. "I never inhaled.....
 
AgesofDays said:
I'm suspecting that you have been smoking the Peace Pipe with the local Injun's. "I never inhaled.....
:surrender: OK, I'll take your word for that, Bill. What's your favorite flavor of Ben and Jerry's? Don't tell me you don't swallow it.
 
When I am sighting in a new gun, I begin at 10 yds, as that is about where the ball or bullet furst crosses the line of sight."I think thats my problem I always started at 50 yards ,but the reason I wanted to know is it would kinda tell me what eack click represented in terms of inches per click ,maybe im going about this all the wrong way but i`ll never learn the right way if I dont try and make mistakes,It gets irratating sometimes when you cant hit the preverbal broad side of the barn then the next time your in the bull and didnt change a thing with you load ,I guess that`s what makes this so addictive
 
I never really got into ben and fairys ice cream ,I like a good republican icecream briars works for me
 
Sounds like your scatter gunning and that could be alot of different things. No matter where your sights are set, you should be able to get a group. Email or PM me. I'll try to help you out. It's time for me to go to bed. Ate too much Cherry Garcia. :grin: But I didn't swallow any, honest, I really didn't!
 
I haven't swallowed ice cream since I learned how to open my glottus and let it slide down. Uhmm umm good! :rotf: Works on beer too. :winking:
 
No, caliber or charge or black powder or smokeless
or bullet or ball have nothing to do with it.
What's it good for, it's essential information for anyone who want's to learn to shoot.
 
Click adjustments on adjustable sights depends on the sight, and on who makes it. There are usually instructions from the manufacturer, whether you are buying a scope, peep sight, tube sight, or even an adjustable open sight, that will tell you who much change each " click ", or step will move the POI.

Most instructions talk in terms of " Minute of Angle", and refer to 100 yds. Most peep sights, for instance have four " clicks " to the inch, or " minute of angle at 100 yds. At 50 yds, then, each of those clicks will only move the sight HALF the distance it moves the sight at that 100 yd. mark. So at 50 yds, the clicks are 8 to the inch of change in POI. If your group is shooting Left 1 and 1/2 inches, you would have to move the site Right 6 clicks at 100 yds, and 12 clicks at 50 yds to put the group on the center of the target. Now once you make that adjustment at one distance, very little further adjustment will be needed at the other range( distance).

Changing elevation involves the same movements, but because of distance, and ball drop, a centered group at 50 yds, will shoot low at 100 yds, requiring an adjustment in elevation of your sights to bring the POA and the POI together at that NEW range.

Caution: Not all sights are "4 to the minute " click adjustable. And the step wedges in open sights can move a sight as much as 4 inches at 100 yds, but only 1 inch at 25 yds. there are also 2 click to the minute of angle sights out there. That is why its so important that you know the manufacturer of the sight, the model and type, and contact the manufacturer for information, or at least contact a gunsmith and give him this information. If you can give us the details about your rear sight, some of us will be able to tell you what you have, and how to adjust it. Not all sights have nice arrows that tell you what direction to turn screws, or knobs, to raise or lower, or move a sight left or right. And, it also depends, with peep sights, on what side of the action the sight is mounted, as some guns require it to be mounted on the right side, and others on the left side. The peep sight, which is mounted on the windage bar is simply reversed. That makes the the windage screw work " backwards " when making adjustments.
 
PV, the distance moved per click is dependent on the distance between front and rear sights. Same on target scopes with outside adjustments, they may say 1/4 min. adjustments but that will be true only if the scope blocks have exactly the
required spacing.
 

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