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Black Hand said:
By advocating violence, you have already lost the argument.

Disagreement leads to discussion which leads to research which leads to solutions. It is a learning experience for all involved.
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Read my post Black Hand. I didn't advocate violence. I simply stated a real world probability for such behavior. Especially if one looks at the way the people we like to re enact would have behaved when treated that way in person.

Imagine a mountain man at a rendezvous in 1840 making the same statement,( minus the modern tech stuff). I think the fur would fly!
 
Imagine a mountain man at a rendezvous in 1840 making the same statement,( minus the modern tech stuff). I think the fur would fly!
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Movie fodder!...... What "mountain man" would be wounded by mere words? One that would not last long in a fight, nor live long in life.
 
swathdiver said:
colorado clyde said:
What "mountain man" would be wounded by mere words?
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It is an undeniable truth of life throughout history that all can be wounded by the words of a talebearer, Clyde.
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Indeed!...But do we resort to violence?...I think you missed the point I was trying to make.
 
okawbow said:
Black Hand said:
By advocating violence, you have already lost the argument.

Disagreement leads to discussion which leads to research which leads to solutions. It is a learning experience for all involved.
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Read my post Black Hand. I didn't advocate violence. I simply stated a real world probability for such behavior. Especially if one looks at the way the people we like to re enact would have behaved when treated that way in person.

Imagine a mountain man at a rendezvous in 1840 making the same statement,( minus the modern tech stuff). I think the fur would fly!
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The real-world probability of a response would be to politely ignore and go on. Are we so insecure that the opinion of someone we don't really know deeply wounds us? I think not. Personally, the opinion of very few people matters to me. As to the rest, their opinion affects me very little.

If I were to physically attack you, then a physical response is warranted. However, violence in any form as a response to a statement is unnecessary.
 
Jim, please don't leave us, as your point was well taken....at least by me anyway. Technology has encroached on everything in our society and as for the ways of old....well, passing on the appreciation for what we enjoy just ain't as easy as it used to be.
In a time of instant gratification where the intrest in skills learned and earned are harder to pass along.... all is not lost as long as just a handful of young folks care to carry on.
Coming from one who knows from experience, trashings like this are common place on any forum where your opinion is not agreed upon or appreciated by a few others. But stay strong and keep sharing you're experience, knowledge and opinions with us.....as we all benefit from the discussions that are generated.
 
colorado clyde said:
Indeed!...But do we resort to violence?...I think you missed the point I was trying to make.
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I reckon so.

What is considered an act of violence today may not have been yesterday. For example, two kids or young men getting into a spat over something and settling it with fists. When the best man wins, they shook hands and moved on with life, often becoming good friends afterwards.

Somewhere I missed the post about violence.
 
I guess I grew up different than most of you folks. In the 50's we didn't watch Davy and Daniel whoever they were. We didn't have no TV. We were raised with rifles and hunting, but I was middle aged before I fired my first muzzleloader. Southwestern Montana should be prime country to find a lot of BP, but it ain't really. I love bp, but everyone else doesn't.

Were all of you folks really raised on Black Powder? If not, why do you expect today's youth to be raised on it?
 
wpjson said:
Were all of you folks really raised on Black Powder? If not, why do you expect today's youth to be raised on it?
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Nope!..and I don't.....
I took to it myself...The way I look at it, Water seeks it's own level"
 
I belong to a shooting club, that started in 1956. Most of the charter members have passed on, or no longer able to shoot.

Here's the good news....several guys in my age group have started shooting Flintlocks. The younger members are following right along, and now have their wives and children, interested. We are turning out larger numbers for out events, each month, more than any of the other shooting events. Last month we had squirrel cooked on open fire, served up with gravy and biscuits. The ladies have included, time period foods and drink, which has added to the Flintlock experience. We've invited those who shoot Cap locks, out to our events, and have had a large turnout, that has been going strong, for over a year. We have fun competition, but no prizes, it's more about getting together and teaching, each other, as well as, anyone else that's interested. More than 20 new Custom rifles have shown up, at these events. In Oct. we honored a gentleman, now retired, gun builder who build several rifles, for our club members. Some big name gun builders, have made rifles for our members, that were bought at big muzzleloading shows, like the one held in Louisville, Ky.

Not a lot of hunter's in the group, but the rifles and traditions, are doing well, in our club.

Our next venture is to start building, some rifles. A couple projects have been ordered, and we are waiting to get started.
 
Were all of you folks really raised on Black Powder? If not, why do you expect today's youth to be raised on it?
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Actually I was and so were my children.

My father bought a TC Renegade in 1980. To this day we still spend BP season together, my father, my brother and myself.

The first pistol I owned was a CVA Tower I built at 16. Then revolvers, then an original 11 gauge double.
Incidentally when I was in the 5th Grade, a friend brought his dads 1860 Army to class for show and tell. The teacher kept it in a box on her desk.

My sons first rifle was a cut down flintlock Springfield Hawken. He learned to handle, hunt and shoot with that rifle.

At 13 he killed his first big game animal a hog at 74 yards with his 18th Century Carolina Trade Gun using a 18th Century load of ball and Spanish Moss Wadding.

So while others may be talking the talk, Me and mine have been busy walking the walk.
 
The only BP shooters I have run into in MT were shooting breach loaders at targets at 300 yds, and hitting them. No ML shooters seen hunting.
 
I am soon returning to VA. Where are you located? I would like to meet up with you.
 
I have hunted in NW MT with muzzle loaders for years. Mostly with a T/C Hawken but lately with a Chief's Grade trade gun.
 

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