Thanks digger I'm getting some of the old timer guys that use to shoot NMLRA and other matchs and it seems the Brit back in 1770s was right, "sighted smoothbore ( aka smooth rifle ) can each out and touch someone if bored,sighted,loaded,and shot right.) Still would like some more info from anyone shooting these now, like how long your barrel is and how was it bored ( the barrel maker I talked with said a 003 taper from breech to muzzle) ect. Thanks Fred :hatsoff: ( NMLRA shoot is 30 to 130 yards at gongs.)