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A couple of years ago I killed a big doe with my flint .62 smoothbore and decided yesterday to check that load at the range...again, but not since about a year ago. That load consisted of a .600" lead ball, 70 grains of JBP and a Hoppes lubed patch .015" flannel. Groups at 50 yards were centered and right at 3". My bare ball load: 70 grains of JBP, card wad, lubed cushion wad, a .606" WW ball and two card wads. That load, used for any second shot, stayed in a pie plate, 4.5" to about 6.5". Good to know I can still count on those two loads.
 
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I've shot smoothbores that performed like rifles inside of 50 yards and just saw another example of that today. I bought the 20 gauge fowler that Shine offered for sale here for my friend John in exchange for his two Brown Besses. John went and shot a 2 1/2 inch group using PRB with it this morning right out of the packing box and I'm quite sure he'll find a more accurate load with a little more work. I think all but two deer I've shot where more than 40 yards away and all the hogs were inside 30.
 
An officer of the HBC wrote in the early 19th century that rifles were a waste of time since a good fusil would shoot to 60 yards as well as a rifle. This was on the Canadian plains,and probly were shooting wadded balls and not patched.Lots of smooties were bought and traded by the american fur compinies and smooth rifles were being built for years. White traders often traded a low value itam for a high value itam from Indians. I understand Tecumshe made war on the Americans after he traded off his good fusil for one of them rifle guns :cursing: :haha:
 
Darn right they are, and I would even say much further than out to 60 yards. Even pushing back 200-300 years, they were just as, and probably even more so accurate than a lot of todays shooters, and that was using undersized balls with no patches!

Reading this thread made me think of something I've came across not too long ago about a smoothbores accuracy during the F&I War. For some context, it is referring to the constant harassment of the Halifax settlement here in Nova Scotia by the natives, helped by the Acadians.


"..the Poor Inhabitant are under continual Alarms from the Indians, who are spirited up by the French... They are furnished by them Muskets, Hangers, and large Knives, but no Bayonets or Cannon, nor yet are they taught the Manual of Exercise of regular Troops. The new Colony is terribly afraid of them; for they come down about the Dawning of the Day, sculk in the Bushes, and there wait for their prey; they are very dexterous and alert at Firing, and can frequently do Execution at the Distance of 100 Yards; they come upon Houses, which they alarm with their Shot; and if persued, like the Parthians of old, they turn about and discharge, then shelter themselves behind the Thickets whence they let fly Volleys of Shot, and Showers of Arrows."


From John Wilson's, "A genuine narrative of the transactions in Nova Scotia since the settlement, June 1749, till August the 5th, 1751 : in which the nature, soil, and produce of the country are related, with the particular attempts of the Indians to disturb the colony" (1751).

Free ebook Here for those interested.
 
History IS pretty awesome :wink:

Also check out Benjamin Church's "The History of the Great Indian War of 1675 and 1676, Commonly Called Philip's War: Also, the Old French and Indian Wars, from 1689 to 1704"

"Diary Kept at the Siege of Louisburg, March 15-August 14, 1745" By the Rev. Joeseph Emerson of Pepperell, Mass.

"An historical journal of the campaigns in North America for the years 1757, 1758, 1759, and 1760" By Captain John Knox.

Just to name a few, most will attest to the smoothbores accuracy, I have so many ebooks/links I couldn't possibly pick out the exact quotes! There's OH so many free ebooks out there relating to our area of historical interest, the problem is you gotta hunt around, good place to start is the references sections of Wikipedia articles of whatever it is your interested in (flintlocks, battles, colonization, exploration, whatever, etc..)

Happy hunting and reading :grin:
 
Of corse they were practical in their idea about accuracy back then. Today we would like 2 inch groups at 50 yards, a meaningless number unless you were hunting for head shots on turkey. Today I'm concerned about hitting the chest of a deer every time I shoot so am happy with 4-5 inch groups at 50 yards, shooting that would win no prizes. A 20 inch group at 100 yards would hit a man sized target 80-90% of the time, and any hit would be disabaling at least as far as the fight would go, and most would be deadly.
 
Also let us not forget that with our modern ideas about firearms we think they should "hit" at X distance every time... consider this...in the 18th century a smoothie that could hit the 8" circle 1 of 4 times at 100 yards, was "batting .250" :grin: on hitting folks with exposed heads, and probably scaring the poop out of the settlers manning the fort walls in an 18th century setting.

We also forget that a gun, rifled or not, in the hands of a person who uses it day-in and day-out is much more formidable than a much better made piece in the hands of an inexperienced person. Training and/or experience can make up for a great many ills.

LD
 
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azmntman said:
were you aiming at the head? Nice shot regardless! :thumbsup:
To be honest it maybe the wrong photo! There is a photo of the 60paces one though but my little phone limits me !

Yes....I was aiming for the head.

B.
 
I know the thread deals with smooth bores and not fowlers, flints or restrictions on rear sights, etc.
But, still I wonder if we took 20 smoothie owners, not ekeespurts, and put them on the firing line and had them shoot at 100 yard targest what the results would be. Personally, I believe only few hits on paper would be scored at all.
Rifles eliminate a lot of the variables. Personally, I have never learned my 'anchor point' for shooting my fowler (no rear sight). I have never tried over 50 yards. When I accidentially get my hold correct it will do well at that range.
 
Rifleman1776 said:
I know the thread deals with smooth bores and not fowlers, flints or restrictions on rear sights, etc.
But, still I wonder if we took 20 smoothie owners, not ekeespurts, and put them on the firing line and had them shoot at 100 yard targest what the results would be. Personally, I believe only few hits on paper would be scored at all.
Rifles eliminate a lot of the variables. Personally, I have never learned my 'anchor point' for shooting my fowler (no rear sight). I have never tried over 50 yards. When I accidentially get my hold correct it will do well at that range.

I struggle with no rear, my fowler is limited to 40yds with me behind it!

In saying that, it is .629" and I only have .562" ball. A kind gent on here has promised me a few .600" to try, cant wait
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Britsmoothy said:
Yeah but I don't photo the ones missed! :thumbsup:
For pride's sake, let's just assume #2 is the one missed before taking #1! Kind of thing that makes me feel better! :haha: You're getting good at putting bunnies in the stew pot! Love any picture you post with Sprocket in it! :hatsoff:
 
I wasn't sure so I ordered mine with a rear sight so it would "seem" kinda like a rifle. In my little universe I draw no distinction between muskets, fowlers, smoothbores, etc, etc (except for smoothrifles). They all have a slick bore and that works fine for me.
 
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