Someone start a new tent thread please

[BillinOregon]

I have one of those new in the box for heating my boat.

 

[coloradoclyde]

I've used similar heaters and the larger big buddy's in everything from deer stands to ice shantys..Even used a Coleman lantern to heat a truck camper once....But I don't sleep with them on and I always have a vent for fresh air.

The issue is with open burning of charcoal, like a bazier.

Carbon Monoxide Kills Man, Son On Camp-out

March 30, 1999

ATLANTA - A Georgia man and his 7-year-old son died of carbon-monoxide poisoning while using a charcoal grill inside their tent at a Boy Scout reservation over the weekend, authorities said Monday. Kenneth Lane had taken his son, Kenneth Jr., camping at the Bert Adams Boy Scout Reservation near Covington on Saturday. Their bodies were discovered Sunday by other campers in a tent that had been zipped closed because the weather had turned chilly overnight. Inside the tent was a metal charcoal grill they had used to cook hot dogs earlier.

 

[Rifleman1776]

I've seen too many people die or sickened by carbon monoxide poisoning to have un-vented heat in a tent...

My dad wound up in the hospital because of a leaky exhaust manifold on a Sno-Cat, A friend of mine was sick for a month thought he had the flu....discovered his house furnace was bad.....A girl tried to heat her apartment with a charcoal grill....she died....The list goes on......I don't take CO poisoning lightly...

My son is an ER doctor. He can related many-many similar instances. Folks often just do not use common sense. :idunno:

 

[coloradoclyde]

It's not always an issue of common sense....
Carbon monoxide is odorless and colorless......In many cases the only way it is discovered is by autopsy...

 

[kansas_volunteer]

I've never used a wood stove in a tent exactly, but I have heated with diesel in a multifuel stove, the little army "pot belly." These have been offered for sale by surplus dealers in recent years. The stoves are designed to be fired with coal, wood or oil. Based on my experience I wouldn't hesitate to burn wood in one.

I used a tent, hexagonal, lightweight as a CP in Korea. It flat out got hot even on some the most bitter cold nights you can imagine. We had to shed lots of winter clothes to keep from over heating in it. I'll bet you a small wood burning stove would drive you outdoors just to cool off.

As for carbon monoxide I bet an alarm such as might be used in a home or apartment could be put up in a heated tent in some way. Attach it to a tent stake and drive it in the ground at the same level you might be sleeping.

 

[Rifleman1776]

It's not always an issue of common sense....
Carbon monoxide is odorless and colorless......In many cases the only way it is discovered is by autopsy...

A not uncommon cause of loss of life, or near so, is having a gasoline powered generator running in the house during power outages. THAT is lack of common sense.

 

[Rifleman1776]

As for carbon monoxide I bet an alarm such as might be used in a home or apartment could be put up in a heated tent in some way. Attach it to a tent stake and drive it in the ground at the same level you might be sleeping.

My local fire department tells me CO is about the same density as O2. Meaning an alarm can be mounted at any level, floor, mid height or near ceiling.

 

[coloradoclyde]

I would mount it at the same level as your head when sleeping....In fact mine are right next to the headboard, I want it measuring the air I am breathing in... I also want to be able to hear it.....A person is most vulnerable when sleeping....You might not ever wake up.

 

[tenngun]

Every winter I take care of some co poisoning, most end bad. Any fire in any tent you have to have good ventilation, even a tipi. In a wedge discribed as above the two doors sides of the door are tied open. The brazier is just at the door opening. Your getting a lot of reflected heat and is nowhere as warm as a stove inside. For sure don't shut the doors.

 

[Bo T]

I've seen too many people die or sickened by carbon monoxide poisoning to have un-vented heat in a tent...

My dad wound up in the hospital because of a leaky exhaust manifold on a Sno-Cat, A friend of mine was sick for a month thought he had the flu....discovered his house furnace was bad.....A girl tried to heat her apartment with a charcoal grill....she died....The list goes on......I don't take CO poisoning lightly...

I almost did also, due to a cracked exhaust manifold on a 55 chev. You need a good draft to the fire and a good vent for the smoke. Many of the deaths I recall were in autos that were caught in snow drifts.

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

Sure, one needs to be careful of a stove in a tent, and while
surely not HPC, for only $16 you can bet that I have a battery powered CO detector 'hidden' in plain sight in my tent setup.

CO poisoning in nor to be fooled with ... and I lost a friend to it, from his swimming off a boat & hanging off the swim platform, while boats were rafted up and one of them was running a generator to power the music ... but I digress.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

I would mount it at the same level as your head when sleeping....

THAT is a great idea, Clyde. :hatsoff:

Depending on the tent..., when camping..., a person on the ground if the tent doesn't have a sewn in floor, might be less exposed as the cold air will come in at the bottom of the tent, and the hot air from the heater will rise and fill the tent from the top down. So you could be exposed to warmer CO mixed with air as it fills the tent from the top toward the bottom if you're in a cot. :shocked2: Meanwhile your guest sleeping on a the ground might be just fine....

PLUS CO is cumulative..., it binds to the red blood cells, so if you got a 20% of a lethal dose one night, and repeated the process each night, ..., you'd wake up with sorta flu/cold like symptoms after the first night..., and if you were camping for five nights in a row..., your heirs would have to come out to break down your camp on the morning of the 5th day. In my area we hear most often of folks getting poisoned slowly over time, and thinking everybody in the house had a bad head cold...,

LD

 

[Bo T]

Not really cumulative, but depending on exposure it can build up faster than our bodies get rid of it. Every time my old man struck up a Lucky Strike everyone in the house was given a small dose of CO.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

We get "rid" of it by the cells to which it is bonded dying off and building replacement red blood cells. :wink: So YES if you get as in my example a 20% exposure twice a year, then you can probably keep that up until you die of something else...,

LD

 

[Bo T]

I don't believe that the CO is permanently bound to the hemoglobin, just bound much tighter than oxygen. So it is released at a much slower rate than oxygen. One treatment is pure oxygen which increases this rate of release.

 

[coloradoclyde]

https://youtu.be/Lsq-zyrzXxE

 

[Bo T]

Neat video. Thanks.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

I have been thinking about the American rev. Or the French 1751.. Any thoughts on whether the extra 6 inches of headspace , i'm 6 foot tall , is worth the extra $75 to get the French 1751. http://tentsmiths.com/period-tents-wedge-tents.html

 

[BillinOregon]

Sean, I have looked long and hard at the French 1750. I am not doing much camping these days, but that would be my choice in a belled wedge for room and comfort. A standard interior door is 80 inches; the 1750 is 84.

 

[necchi]

I'd hang'm both up,,
And dump the idea of needing "flame retardant" canvas,,
Just get straight up SunForger, a 9x9x7' RK bell back and call it good.
And/or get the tall one in SunForger and save some money.

thoughts on whether the extra 6 inches of headspace , i'm 6 foot tall ,

Yeah, with any use at all, your going to find yourself wanting to be able to stand up without crankin your neck.