Spanish Guns

[musketman]

Anyone want to take a shot at what kind of weapons Christopher Columbus brought with him to the new world?

Matchlock muskets, arquebuses?

 

[buckknife]

Musketman aint a arquebuses a matchlock musket of some sort.I didnt realize what the real story of columbus was till i started searching for an answer to the question about the muskets . On his second trip over columbus and spainards were very burtal in the slave trade and their quest for gold.Some thing they didnt teach us in social studies when i was a youngen. :shocking:

 

[musketman]

Musketman aint a arquebuses a matchlock musket of some sort.

They're close in design, but not enough to say they are the same weapon, they both do fire via a burning slow match...

 

[Teleoceras]

Musketman aint a arquebuses a matchlock musket of some sort.I didnt realize what the real story of columbus was till i started searching for an answer to the question about the muskets.

The true Musket did not come about until the mid-16th Century as armor got heavier. The Arquebus is a short barreled smoothbore arm of a smaller caliber. The Arquebus would evntually evolve to the carbine.

In 1492, the gun types ranged from the late Handgonne to the crude Serpentine Lock Arquebus to the early Matchlock Arquebus. The slowmatch was the only method of ignition available at the time.

 

[miqueleter]

What Teleceres said. The musket as we recognize it appeared a few decades after the Columbus voyages. I seem to recall reading that Columbus relied on the traditional crossbow and hand cannon size swivel guns, albeit, a few serpentine arquebuses were probably aboard as well. The musket (moschetto=mousquet=mousquit=muskitt=musket) was most likely introduced by the Spanish during their campaigns to subjugate the Netherlands (1565-81). As Tele says, an early anti-armour weapon. I think Tele was a Master Arquebusier aboard the Pinta...

 

[SquirrelsaurusR]

miqueleter,
welcome to the forum!

 

[Teleoceras]

Miqueleter:

Glad to see ya here!

I think Tele was a Master Arquebusier aboard the Pinta...

That would be you on the Pinta. Like you said to me in a previous E-Mail, my focus is Teutonic. You are the specialist with the Spainish weapons. ::

FYI, anybody interested should check out Miqueleter's website at http://members.tripod.com/~miqueleter2/MigueletOdyssey-index.html.

 

[miqueleter]

Naw, that was you, Tele, mouthing this little Teutonic ditty: "Alle Kunst ist umsunst, wenn ein
Engel auf das Z

 

[Teleoceras]

Miqueleter:

Naw, that was you, Tele, mouthing this little Teutonic ditty: "Alle Kunst ist umsunst, wenn ein
Engel auf das Z

 

[musketman]

"Alle Kunst ist umsunst, wenn ein
Engel auf das Z

 

[miqueleter]

Tele, what musketman said.

I have engraved that proverb on many a powder horn; I am so taken with it.

The translation I am familiar with is "All your skill is to no avail, if an Angel urinates in the touch hole". I always took it to mean no matter how skilled, how careful, how expensive and diligently crafted one's fire stick is, there is still a certain amount of pure luck involved. I think that is true.

Two of my flinters have never failed that I can recall. Same with my wheellock, err, well, except when I wound the wheel backwards once. You only do that once. Dumb, I tell ya.

Respectfully,

 

[Teleoceras]

Miqueleter:

Two of my flinters have never failed that I can recall. Same with my wheellock, err, well, except when I wound the wheel backwards once. You only do that once. Dumb, I tell ya.

So how long did it take for you to get the chain fixed? :winking:

 

[miqueleter]

Just a few minutes actually. Just seeing the link was the hardest part. Used a micro-torch, ground down a 31/2 percent nichol welding rod like a pencil point, held my breath and welded the link. Looked like poo, but worked just fine. I can still feel that gut wrenching ker thunk when it broke and the wheel became free-wheeling. brrr

 

[benvenuto]

Apparently this came from the Canary Islands, staging post for voyages to the Americas. Right period for Columbus

 

[robinghewitt]

Anyone want to take a shot at what kind of weapons Christopher Columbus brought with him to the new world?

I have that gun lock out of the Thames, dated to time of Columbus by the Royal Armouries.

Be careful not to underestimate 15th century abilities ::

Edit: Also the time the Japanese adopted a Portuguese design and kept it alive. Has to be a snapper.

 

[benvenuto]

Hello Robin!
Was not disparaging the technology of the time, merely recalling something I read that said that although Columbus was well equipped with ships, he had trouble getting almost anything else out of the spanish buerocracy, including up to date weapons

 

All skill is in vain when an angel pees in the touchole of your musket.

There is a baroque church picture depicting Abraham, who is tested by god whether he would sacrifice his son on demand. Abraham points a flintlock pistol at his son, but an angel pees on the pan and puts out the sparks.
Below it reads "Abraham, is ist umsunst, ein Englein dir aufs Pf

 

[Stumpkiller]

Neat. Documentation that puts the flintlock as far back as 1,700 B.C. ::

You "Pre-Flintlock" guys are going to have to switch to bronze swords and stone headed maces. :haha:

 

[Wes/Tex]

Switch to swords or get umbrellas for those open pans! Reminds me of an old Wedgwood vase I saw some years ago in that wonderfull blue & white work they did. It had Diana, goddess of the hunt standing by a small table with bow and quiver and a pile of little cherubs or angels piled up on the table and Diana nocking up another arrow...run you little....zip! :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: