Sprue vs Spruless (Sprueless?)

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ndbilly

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Haven't seen a ball with a sprue for a long time as I don't cast. Perhaps I got spoiled but I just rec'd a small quantity of .570 and .575 round balls with sprues. I remember that you were supposed to try and load the ball with the sprue as close to center on the exposed end of the ball as possible. Does the presence of that small protrusion really affect the ball's flight?

Thanks.
 
I can't see any difference in how I load them, spur up or down, sur or spurless. Maybe I am not fussy enough, but I just weigh the balls and through the low weights back into the pot.
 
never had a problem with a sprue, as long as it goes down the barrel, it will come out just as well :thumbsup: serously i get great groups with sprued balls, out to 50 yards anyway, i don't shoot much past that
 
ndbilly said:
Haven't seen a ball with a sprue for a long time as I don't cast. Perhaps I got spoiled but I just rec'd a small quantity of .570 and .575 round balls with sprues. I remember that you were supposed to try and load the ball with the sprue as close to center on the exposed end of the ball as possible. Does the presence of that small protrusion really affect the ball's flight?

Thanks.

The group shot in my avatar picture is a 100 yd group using the sprue up method. Can't say it matters if it is up or down or no sprue at all, I have tried it all ways! :thumbsup:

rabbit03
 
About a year or so ago, the Bevel Bros. writing in Muzzleblast magazine did a test and came to the conclusion having a sprue or not, and where it is placed, made no difference in accuracy. I cast, and have a sprue, and, because I'm superstitious and don't step on cracks, I load sprue up and centered...but I know I don't have to. Hank
 
I'm like Hank and load sprue up because I've always done it like that and now have to.
 
Glad to see there are some fellow neurotics on the forums. Also good to know that the sprue issue is a non-issue. Thanks to all.
 
Neurotic, is somebody calling me? How could a protrusion on the side of a round ball not cause inaccuracies? Just like a void from an air pocket from a bad pour.

Like others I thought that the sprue had to be a problem issue. However I have to agree I have found not accuracy issues. How they go straight is beyond me but they do. I pour my own, position the sprue up and away she goes as good as the smoothies! Uncrichie.
 
could the sprue somehow be "dragged" to the rear of the ball as it exits the gun? If it self-corrected, that would explain why...like you, I've never understood why the sprue didn't throw the ball off, but maybe this is the answer...Hank
 
Uncritchie: Shot out of a smoothbore, a high sprue proably does affect accuracy. The Bevel brothers tested sprue location in rifles, and found no problem. I think its because the balls are spinning so fast that the sprue location does little harm at the short ranges we usually shoot. Lets face it, most lead is fired on the range, NOT in the field, hunting. Most shots are at 25 and 50 yards in rifle matches. Some clubs don't even have 100 yard ranges.
 
uncrichie said:
"...how they go straight is beyond me but they do..."
Thats the purpose of the rifling...the constant spin balances out minor imperfections as it is never in the same place long enough to affect the flight. If you want a real shocker that will end any concerns you might have about minor imperfections try this.

Seat a few balls and pull them back out (one at a time of course) and notice that the ball puller screw spirals up a lot of lead high above the surface of the ball, and leaves a huge, I mean huge void...an excavation really...where it had augered into the ball.

The take them to the range, patch and seat each one like you normally would with all that junk on top, and you'll be shocked to see them go right into a 50yd bullseye every time.

I average pulling 35-45 balls a year, after I've finished all the day hunts...and I save them for use at the range...and if sonmebody else loaded them for me I would have guessed they were new Hornadys.

After 2-3 years of doing that in different calibers, I've learned from hands on experience that the average shooter can't possibly see an accuracy difference on a 50 yard target just from a difference of a couple grains weight from one ball to another that a tiny void might cause.

So I just waste my time weighing and measuring and worrying about such things...might make somebody "feel good" to do all that but at the end of the day the average shooter will never see it on a 50 yard target.

Just go try it, then you'll know first hand.
 
I'm surprised one of the engineering types haven't weighed it by now showing their self designed "sprue centering device" they came up with to make sure the sprues are perfectly centered in the bore each shot.
 
reddogge said:
I'm surprised one of the engineering types haven't weighed it by now showing their self designed "sprue centering device" they came up with to make sure the sprues are perfectly centered in the bore each shot.


I don't know who you may be referring to. The only folks I know who still weigh their balls and trim the sprues close, or tumble the balls to get rid of the sprues are the target guys, who are shooting 200 yard matches, or are shooting those Chunk Gun matches where the guy with the shortest " string " for 10 shots wins the match. The shooters shoot at an "X", and the distance from the center of the "X" to the center of their ball determines the length of the " string ". Those shooters also choke their rifles, polish the lands to a mirror finish, use anti-cant devices on the muzzle of the gun, have bubbles from levels to verify the gun is level for each shot, etc.

In effect, they are demanding and requiring far mor accuracy than Roundball needs for his weekend shooting.


I don't mind watching those guys, and I listen to what they say makes their guns shoot more accurately than I might dream to do with my own rifle, but I am not interested in that game. Like Roundball, I enjoy putting holes consistently in a target at 50 yards off a rest, and towards the end of a shooting session, will fire 5-10 rounds off-hand at the same distance, to practice those skills.
 
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