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alaskasmoker

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Okay so first off I need to inlet the lock right? So I have to dissasemble the lock just like on any other build right?

Question one. What is the best method for depressing the mainspring?

Question two. It looks as if my sear is going to be too long and I will need to trim it. Is that common? From what I read in the art of penn book it is for small caliber guns.

this comes later I know but as long as Im thinking about it, how many lock bolts do I use on my Late lancaster build and where do they go?

Also if any one has a tutorial or link on lock dissasembly that would be great.

Thanks! Matt
 
alaskasmoker said:
Okay so first off I need to inlet the lock right? So I have to dissasemble the lock just like on any other build right?

Question one. What is the best method for depressing the mainspring?

Question two. It looks as if my sear is going to be too long and I will need to trim it. Is that common? From what I read in the art of penn book it is for small caliber guns.

this comes later I know but as long as Im thinking about it, how many lock bolts do I use on my Late lancaster build and where do they go?

Also if any one has a tutorial or link on lock dissasembly that would be great.

Thanks! Matt


1: Yes, you should take the lock apart Inlet the lockplate first, then inlet the other parts as you put them back on.

2: You take the main spring off with a Main Spring Vice. It can be done with vicegrips, but allot of them get broken this way. With the mainspring vice you put the cock on halfcock, put the spring vice on & sjung it up, pull the hammer back a tad & depress the sear arm & let the hammer down. See if the spring will come out. If not, put the hammer on Full cock & do it all over.

3: Most Lancaster rifles I use 2 lockbolts. The rear one goes in the bolster & the front one goes behind the sharp bend of the frizzen spring.

4: Buy the book "Gunsmiths of Grenville County".
You need it, whether you think you do or not. Buy the spiral bound version so it will lay flat on your workbench.

5: Don;t know of a lock tutorial. They are pretty basic as far as disassembly & assembly. I just studied them, took them apart & taught myself. Not much to it. Watch the fly when you take it apart as they are Easily lost. Tape it to a tupperware lid & keep the parts in a tupperware bolw so you don't lose parts. Make a brass square punch to punch the tumbler out of the hammer, as if you pry it out you will most likely damage the tumbler.

Good Luck !

:thumbsup:
 
In reply to smoker. I may have missed something but, The first thing you have to do is let in the barrel. Usually the breech channel is left with round ends like the router bit cutter. fit the barrel breech, or the hooked breech in. When I set in a two piece hooked breech/barrel I first make sure they fit together and then epoxy them into one piece letting them into the wood as one. then with a little heat I separate them and clean off the glue from the metal. The lock is then let in in relation to the barrel. Positioning it so the vent (in a flint ) or the drum & nipple is in relation to the hammer or pan. Good luck. Len
 
Buy a mainspring vise from any of the suppliers. I rarely use mine anymore, and use a visegrip instead, but I have taken lots of mainspring off locks safely and know what I am doing. I also know what NOT to do. If this is your first, you have not climbed that learning curve, yet. Buy the mainspring vise.

You second question is a series of questions. Disassemble the lock-- in this order:

1. Remove the mainspring.

2. Remove the frizzen spring if a flintlock.

3. Remove the sear spring.

4. Now remove the frizzen, on a flintlock, and set it and its pivot screw aside, together. Put it next to the frizzen spring. They are a working UNIT of the lock. Keep them separate.

5. Remove the bridle. It holds both the tumbler and the " fly" on the tumbler that helps the sear go over the half cock notch. Put Tape on that small fly before removing it, and tape it to something you can see in front of your face as you sit at your workspace. ( A clear glass or plastic jar will hold onto this little bugger! When I am satisfied that the tumbler rotates smoothly in its lockplate hole, and am done with any polishing work on it, or the notches, I tape the fly to the tumbler and set them aside with the cock. The bridle goes with the tumbler, too.

6. Now you can remove the sear bar, and its pivot screw. But while its in the lockplate, now is the time to move the sear in and out of the half cock, and full cock notches in the tumbler, and see if there truly is a fitting problem. Being able to move the parts manually and See where they go ( with the bridle removed) helps to decide if their really is a problem or not.

7. You remove the tumbler FROM THE cock, not the cock from the tumbler. Use a properly sized, thin screwdriver blade to back out the the screw that holds the cock to the tumbler. Only back it out a turn or two, but not all the way out. Now, put a piece of scrap wood on the head of that screw, and with the lockplate set over the separated jaws of your bench vise, or over two blocks of wood spaced apart on the bench, use a soft hammer head to tap the cockscrew to force the tumber Out of the hammer square. Once it releases, you can stop and unscrew the cockscrew completely. Put a "witness mark" on the tumbler stud, and the hammer, so you know which flat of the square stud fits which flat of the cock for reassembly. Now, just use a soft Metal( copper, aluminum, brass, plastic, etc.)rod to tap or push the tumbler off the cock. Have a soft cloth under the lock plate to catch the tumbler so it doesn't fall to concrete flooring and get a dink on it.

Without seeing the actual lock parts, its impossible to tell you if the nose of that sear bar is too long. That is normally determined by the depth of the FULL cock, and HALF cock notches. If the notch is too deep, you can get a long, harder trigger pull than is desireable, but that condition is fixed different ways, depending on the trigger used, how polished, or unpolished the notches and the nose are, etc. Normally, the nose of a sear is NOT shortened. Again, its possible to have a sear nose too long, but rare. I would want to see the lock before ever recommending that the sear nose be shortened.

I have an article on shooting and tuning the flintlock, republished under "Articles" at the Member Resources section at the top of the index page to this forum. While it addresses flintlocks, all the parts on the INSIDE of any flintlock are very similar to those found on the inside of a percussion lock. You can ignor all my comments on how to deal with the frizzen, and frizzen spring, if you're shooting a percussion lock. The advice about the internal parts works for both percussion and flintlock actions.

YOu can go to Bob Spenser's Black Powder Notebook, to get a good picture of the lock parts, and their names, and relationships.
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/percterm.html

If you go to his index page, you can find the information on both the percussion and flintlock actions, as well as great articles full of information you need to know.
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html
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The lock is fully disassembled, now. If you set the parts you remove together with the screws that hold them to the lockplate, you won't be using the wrong screws. If you use the three springs on a flintlock, or two on a percussion lock, as the focus of the three functional areas of any lock, and organize the parts of the gun to the spring that makes them work, reassembly is easy, as is working on each part of the lock.

As to whether to use one or two lock bolts on the action, you need to find pictures of the gun you are replicating, and stay with that. They will also tell where the lockbolts) go. Look at the Bob spenser material to get a general idea of where you want your lockbolt to be.

The top one should be as close to the tumbler as you can get it, since the tumbler is under the most tension. If a forward bolt is use, its almost always placed just forward of the frizzen spring, between the barrel and the Ramrod channel. This allows a tapered ramrod end to fit under the forward lock bolt and all the way back to where the end of the barrel meets the face of your breechplug.

I hope this helps. :thumbsup:
 
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Thanks guys for the answers!

paul what I was refering to as the sear I really meant the arm of the sear. Item M of bens diagrams. That part is already touching the other side of the lock mortise and it is not yet inlet.
 
Either deepen that mortise, or shorten the sear bar. Don't do either until you have the trigger fitted to the stock, so you know how long the bar has to be to be struck by the trigger.

On a kit built shotgun, a friend of mind first cut off too much of the sear bar, and then found he had to weld some back on when he finally had the lock inletted properly. OOPS! major time. But, all is well that ends well, and if you have access to the right equipment. As you say, mistakes are how you learn. :thumbsup:
 
Len, on a pre-carved some folks recomend inletting the lock first since the placement is already done for you and may not be exactly right. That way if you have to move the barrel back a bit to get proper placement of the lock you can.
 
The arm of the sear needs only to be long enough to be moved by the trigger bar. I always cut mine off maybe .1 or .2 on an inch, making sure it is long enough for the trigger bar to hit. Drilling a hole deeper weakens the stock. And I inlet the barrel first. If it is a straight (non-swamped) barrel I pull the breech plug, if fitted, and use the sharp edges of the breech end as a scraper to push back to the end of the inlet, then square up those round corners to set the barrel fully back.
 
Reply to Tommy Bruce: You are right I have done that. One of the things I do when ordering a stock is to specify not to mortice for the lock, just for that reason . seems they don't have the lock in the right place to include a vent liner. Your point is well taken. Len
 
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